On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 04:25:56PM +0100, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 2020 at 9:29 AM Peter Eisentraut > <peter.eisentr...@2ndquadrant.com> wrote: >> Perhaps it's worth asking whom the advice applies to then. You suggest >> it's mostly developers. I for one am still grumpy that in 9.5 we >> removed the variant of the hint that suggested "postgres -D ..." instead >> of pg_ctl. I used to copy and paste that a lot. The argument back then >> was that the hint should target end users, not developers. I doubt that >> under the current circumstances, running pg_ctl start from the console >> is really appropriate advice for a majority of users. (For one thing, >> systemd will kill it when you log out.) I don't know what better advice > > I guess one option could be to just remove it, unconditionally. And > assume that any users who is running it manually read that in docs > somewhere that tells them what to do next, and that any user who's > running it under a wrapper will have the wrapper set it up?
Hmm. I don't think that users running manually initdb will read the documentation if we don't show directly a reference to them. FWIW, I agree with Peter that it would have been nice to keep around the 9.5 hint, and I would wish that the last one remains around. I agree, however, that there is value in having a switch that suppresses them. >> would be, though. Maybe we need to add some kind of text adventure game >> into initdb. > > I do like this idea though... +1. -- Michael
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