On 2023-Sep-08, Gabriele Bartolini wrote: > That is the point I highlighted in the initial post in the thread. We could > make it readonly, but the returned error is misleading and definitely poor > UX: > > ``` > postgres=# ALTER SYSTEM SET wal_level TO minimal; > ERROR: could not open file "postgresql.auto.conf": Permission denied > ``` > > IMO we should clearly state that `ALTER SYSTEM` is deliberately disabled in > a system, rather than indirectly hinting it through an inaccessible file. > Not sure if I am clearly highlighting the fine difference here.
Come on. This is not a "fine difference" -- it's the difference between a crummy hack and a real implementation of an important system restriction. I don't understand Tom's resistance to this request. I understand the use case and I agree with Gabriele that this is a very simple code change(*) that Postgres could make to help it get run better in a different kind of environment than what we're accustomed to. I've read that containers people consider services in a different light than how we've historically seen them; they say "cattle, not pets". This affects the way you think about these services. postgresql.conf (all the PG configuration, really) is just a derived file from an overall system description that lives outside the database server. You no longer feed your PG servers one by one, but rather they behave as a herd, and the herder is some container supervisor (whatever it's called). Ensuring that the configuration state cannot change from within is important to maintain the integrity of the service. If the user wants to change things, the tools to do that are operated from outside; this lets things like ancillary services to be kept in sync (say, start a replica here, or a backup system there, or WAL archival/collection is handled in this or that way). If users are allowed to change the config from within they break things, and the supervisor program can't put things together again. I did not like the mention of COPY PROGRAM, though, and in principle I do not support the idea of treating it the same way as ALTER SYSTEM. If people are using that to write into postgresql.conf, then they deserve all the hell they get when their containers break. I think trying to restrict this outside of the privilege system is going to be more of a wart than ALTER SYSTEM. (*) To be proven. Let's see the patch. -- Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/ Syntax error: function hell() needs an argument. Please choose what hell you want to involve.
