On Thu, 11 Nov 2004, Net Virtual Mailing Lists wrote:

Hi Kevin,

I'm probably a bit more concerned about this than you are...  I don't
want to have to post anonymously just to protect my email address...
That is precisely why I stopped using Usenet about 5 years ago - it just
got overwhelming...

I hope the owner of this list considers this issue very carefully.. I for
one will probably find support for Postgres through other mechanisms (I'm
not sure what those would be yet) if what you are suggesting may come to
pass actually does....

Actually, what is being suggested is something that has been in place for the past, oh, 5 years now ...


The quality of this mailing list has always been extremely high and it would be a real shame to lose that....

That won't change ...

I know that I surely do not need any more spam... To say nothing of jerks posting infantile messages... I have a job to do and this list (as it is now) is an integral part of that....

Spam is pre-filtered out of the lists ... what isn't auto-deleted by Majordomo due to a not high enough score gets dump'd into my lap to approve/reject according to content ... as for the infantile messages, with or without Usenet, that is a risk, as 'forging an email' is something that has *always* been a possibility ...


I'm certainly trying to be open minded here, but what I've seen so far coming from them is not exactly impressing me and it is not too hard to imagine that it only will get worse from here.

You aren't seeing those participating in the pgsql related newsgroups, you are seeing a few net.kooks on the news.groups list itself ... I can assure you that a *very* large percentage of the postings you see come through the mailing lists have their origin in the newsgroups themselves ...


I'm not trying to be harsh, but a good portion of Usenet posters strike
me as brats who don't know how to behave and whoever it is that is
managing this "switch" has not done an adequate job of explaining why we
should put up with them or in the alternative what is going to be done to
keep it to a minimum (IMHO).

Since the gateway has been in place for almost half a decade now, and you are only now seeing net.kooks that aren't posting to the pgsql newsgroups, but are cross-posting to it based on the discussions going on as regards formalizing the lists ... I think what is being done to 'minimize it' has been quite effective, no?



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