salah jubeh wrote:
>>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/catalog-pg-class.html
>>> relhastriggers bool    True if table has (or once had) triggers
>> 
>>> This is what is queried when you try to convert the table into a view.
>>> So there is no way to convert your table to a view unless you are
>>> wiling to tamper with the pg_class.

>> I have tried the follwoing and itworks, I need to update also relhasindex
>> 
>> UPDATE  pg_class SET relhastriggers = FALSE WHERE oid = 'b'::regclass;
>> UPDATE  pg_class SET relhasindex = FALSE WHERE oid = 'b'::regclass;
>> 
>> To be honest I do not like to play with catalog tables, so my question would 
>> be, what are the reason
>> for "(or recently had)" in the case of index, or (or once had) in the case 
>> of triggers. I find the
>> ability to convert a table to a view an extremly handy in applications were 
>> buisnes logic is modelled
>> as views. For example, I need to refactor b, but keep it for backward 
>> compatability as updatabale
>> view.

>You are right to be reluctant to tamper with pg_class.
>
>This comment in backend/commands/trigger.c explains why
>relhastriggers is left "true":
>
>    /*
>     * We do not bother to try to determine whether any other triggers remain,
>     * which would be needed in order to decide whether it's safe to clear the
 >    * relation's relhastriggers.  (In any case, there might be a concurrent
>     * process adding new triggers.)  Instead, just force a relcache inval to
>     * make other backends (and this one too!) rebuild their relcache entries.
>     * There's no great harm in leaving relhastriggers true even if there are
>     * no triggers left.
>     */
>
>So I guess it is just left because nobody cared enough.

>What keeps you from creating a copy of b:

>CREATE TABLE b_copy(LIKE b EXCLUDING CONSTRAINTS);
>DROP TABLE b;
>ALTER TABLE b_copy RENAME TO b;

Thanks for the reply, In the scenario above this will work, but if I add a view 
as: 

create view a_b as SELECT a.id as a_id, b.id as b_id FROM b join a on a.id = 
b.a_id; 


then the -DROP table b;- will fail, unless I drop also a_b view,  or use 
cascade option. In certain applications, it is easy. In some cases, it will 
take a lot of time and effort.

Is there a plan to fix this in the comming releases.  Finally, what is the risk 
of changing the cataloge tables in this case?


Regards  








On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 3:15 PM, Albe Laurenz <laurenz.a...@wien.gv.at> 
wrote:
 
salah jubeh wrote:
>> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/catalog-pg-class.html
>> relhastriggers bool    True if table has (or once had) triggers
> 
>> This is what is queried when you try to convert the table into a view.
>> So there is no way to convert your table to a view unless you are
>> wiling to tamper with the pg_class.

> I have tried the follwoing and itworks, I need to update also relhasindex
> 
> UPDATE  pg_class SET relhastriggers = FALSE WHERE oid = 'b'::regclass;
> UPDATE  pg_class SET relhasindex = FALSE WHERE oid = 'b'::regclass;
> 
> To be honest I do not like to play with catalog tables, so my question would 
> be, what are the reason
> for "(or recently had)" in the case of index, or (or once had) in the case of 
> triggers. I find the
> ability to convert a table to a view an extremly handy in applications were 
> buisnes logic is modelled
> as views. For example, I need to refactor b, but keep it for backward 
> compatability as updatabale
> view.

You are right to be reluctant to tamper with pg_class.

This comment in backend/commands/trigger.c explains why
relhastriggers is left "true":

    /*
     * We do not bother to try to determine whether any other triggers remain,
     * which would be needed in order to decide whether it's safe to clear the
     * relation's relhastriggers.  (In any case, there might be a concurrent
     * process adding new triggers.)  Instead, just force a relcache inval to
     * make other backends (and this one too!) rebuild their relcache entries.
     * There's no great harm in leaving relhastriggers true even if there are
     * no triggers left.
     */

So I guess it is just left because nobody cared enough.

What keeps you from creating a copy of b:

CREATE TABLE b_copy(LIKE b EXCLUDING CONSTRAINTS);
DROP TABLE b;
ALTER TABLE b_copy RENAME TO b;


Yours,
Laurenz Albe

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