Justin wrote:

Only objective is to protect everyone from stupid and ridiculous lawsuits. The entire blackberry lawsuit is example of things to come. Where another company had a patented that process of moving email to a phone for years but never used it. This company waited in the background for years for the service to become popular then sued blackberry. It cost millions of dollars to defend and it was nothing more than legal stealing.

Such behaviour often borders on extortion IMO, with the use of preliminary injunctions against product sales or other before-proof punitive measures as threats to encourage an early settlement. Why go to all the trouble and expense of proving your patent claim's validity when you can so severely disrupt someone's business without doing so that they're forced to settle? If you can force a few small companies to roll over before going after anyone big, so your patent appears to have more validity, then all the better.

Regarding the blackberry lawsuit:
http://www.infoworld.com/article/06/03/03/76106_030306HNblackberrydisputeover_1.html

"Research In Motion (RIM) and NTP have settled their long-standing legal battle, with RIM paying NTP US$612.5 million to settle all of NTP's patent claims against it.

"NTP has granted RIM an unfettered right to continue its business..."

Wow. They granted RIM the right to continue its business. How lovely of them. Positively generous, even.

This is a very real concern. As the USA has convinced much of the world to sign patent reciprocity agreements (well, to honour US patents anyway) as part of free trade treaties, it's not just a worry if you live or work in the US either. Given the absurd generality of some patents I'm sure I infringe patents practically any time I write any code - though I wouldn't know which ones nor would it be wise for me to find out.

I can see MS or other company patenting a process that Postgresql has used for some time or independently invented it gets sued over as a means to extract money from companies and others that used the tool.

If PostgreSQL has been using the process for some time it should ideally not be a problem. Unfortunately, it still may be, as the USA permits patents to lurk in pre-approval almost indefinitely (adding claims as needed) so the patent might apply to fairly ancient ideas despite recent approval. There's also the whole first to invent vs first to file drama.

Given PostgreSQL's impressive rate of development I'll be surprised if it *doesn't* run across patent issues. Databases are prime patent territory, and Pg is picking up impressive modern capabilities with every release. It's hard to argue that they're obvious, either, even to someone who's a professional in the field.

PostgreSQL is also becoming powerful enough to be a noticeable threat to big commercial database vendors' low/mid end markets.

I'm not too worried, personally, as I'd say most patent aggressors will probably go for MySQL first, at least if their claims apply to MySQL as well. They, after all, have revenue and a reason to feat patent scare tactics.

There's also not much to be done about it; it's really up to the glacially-slow-but-promising patent reform efforts and to an extend the companies that extend and build on Pg.

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Craig Ringer

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