Well, I decided to go ahead and install 6.4.2 after hitting a wall with 6.3.2 (6.5 wasn't out when I downloaded) and am running into a different compilation error: gmake[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/src/pgsql/src/backend/optimizer/geqo' for i in path plan prep util geqo; do gmake -C $i util/SUBSYS.o; done gmake[3]: Entering directory 'usr/src/pgsql/src/backend/optimizer/path' gamke[3]: *** No rule to make target 'util/SUBSYS.o'. Stop. And similarly for each of plan, prep, util, geqo Any ideas? What *could* it be trying to do with a .o file anyway? It's already made? Or is it trying to link it with something?... [Disclaimer: My compile experience is mostly limited to one-file college homework -- this makefile multi-directory auto stuff boggles my mind] RedHat Linux 5.2 (Apollo) Linux 2.0.36 #1 ... i586 gcc 2.8.1 (just compiled today) stdlibc++ 2.8.1 (ditto, but after gcc instead of with...) stdlibc++ was only added because I thought maybe my using --without-CXX was causing the problem... flex 2.5.4 gmake 3.76.1 GNU Bison 1.25 byacc 1.9-8.i386.rpm byacc --version is no-op :-( If any of the above are horribly out of date, I can update. Well, I can try. :-) Or even go with pgsql 6.5, though I'd rather opt for stable than bleeding edge release. Oh well, back to the 6.3.2 RedHat rpm version. :-( PS When I was ripping out all the postgres stuff I had done for 6.4.2, I ran across /var/catman/cat1/kill.1.gz (?) that was owned by postgres... A. What the heck is all this /var/catman stuff? B. How the heck could I have found out A.? Would you believe I did: man -a a* | grep catman man -a b* | grep catman . . . man -a z* | grep catman in a vain attempt to find out before looking like an idiot asking? C. Why would kill be owned by postgres? D. Why is some other file there owned by www, for no apparent reason? -- "TANSTAAFL" Rich [EMAIL PROTECTED] webmaster@ and www. all of: R&B/jazz/blues/rock - jademaze.com music industry org - chatmusic.com acoustic/funk/world-beat - astrakelly.com sculptures - olivierledoux.com my own nascent company - l-i-e.com cool coffeehouse - uncommonground.com