On 2023-11-20 02:59 +00:00 GMT, "Erik Wienhold" <e...@ewie.name> wrote:
> On 2023-11-19 21:37 +0100, PGUser2020 wrote:

> 
> Technically speaking, UTF-8 is an 8-bit encoding.  But I guess that
> application would then show mojibake if UTF-8 were stored.
> 

Yes sorry, I should have said single byte rather than 8 bit. There must be no 
possibility that a single character occupies more than one byte as the (e.g.) 
varchar(10) and char(5) fields overflow lengths otherwise.

> 
> Do you have to use existing Latin-9 text columns to store UTF-8?  If not
> then I'd go with bytea instead of text (varchar) if possible and also
> supported by your client.  Otherwise it may be difficult to distinguish
> between "normal" Latin-9 text and the hex- or base64-encoded UTF-8.
> Although bytea could also store anything, not just UTF-8, so you'd have
> to deal with invalid data anyway.
> 

I do have to use existing columns yes, and they are varchar latin9 columns.

> Is the same client sending and reading that data?  If yes, why can't the
> client do the hex-encoding of the UTF-8 string and only send/read those
> encoded strings so that database won't event see UTF-8?  Why must the
> database be involved in this custom encoding scheme instead of just
> storing BLOBs (either as bytea or some encoded text)?
> 

So one of the external clients applications which is interacting with this 
database will do just that -- it will make a hex string from its utf8 input and 
store that in a varchar

> 
> The client can disable encoding conversion by setting client_encoding to
> sql_ascii:
> 
>       latin9_test=# show server_encoding;
>        server_encoding 
>       -----------------
>        LATIN9
>       (1 row)
>       
>       latin9_test=# set client_encoding to sql_ascii;
>       SET
>       latin9_test=# show client_encoding;
>        client_encoding 
>       -----------------
>        SQL_ASCII
>       (1 row)
>       
>       latin9_test=# select 
> convert_from(decode('ceb120ceb220ceb320ceb420ceb520cf83cf84', 'hex'), 
> 'sql_ascii');
>           convert_from     
>       ---------------------
>        α β γ δ ε στ
>       (1 row)
> 
> Maybe that's also an option for your client.
> 

It is very useful and exactly what I was looking for thanks. 

This technique should allow me to create a login, mask a table with a view 
containing this decode, and use search_path to get the view returned in 
preference to the base table.

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