po 8. 4. 2019 v 17:22 odesÃlatel Igal Sapir <i...@lucee.org> napsal:
> Pavel,
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 11:22 PM Pavel Stehule <pavel.steh...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> po 8. 4. 2019 v 7:57 odesÃlatel Igal Sapir <i...@lucee.org> napsal:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 7, 2019 at 8:11 PM David Rowley <
>>> david.row...@2ndquadrant.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 8 Apr 2019 at 14:57, Igal Sapir <i...@lucee.org> wrote:
>>>> > However, I have now deleted about 50,000 rows more and the table has
>>>> only 119,688 rows. The pg_relation_size() still shows 31MB and
>>>> pg_total_relation_size() still shows 84GB.
>>>> >
>>>> > It doesn't make sense that after deleting about 30% of the rows the
>>>> values here do not change.
>>>>
>>>> deleting rows does not make the table any smaller, it just creates
>>>> dead rows in the table. VACUUM tries to release the space used by
>>>> those dead rows and turns it back into free space. Normal vacuum (not
>>>> FULL) can only shrink the table if completely empty pages are found at
>>>> the end of the table.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ACK
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > Attempting to copy the data to a different table results in the out
>>>> of disk error as well, so that is in line with your assessment. But it
>>>> actually just shows the problem. The new table to which the data was
>>>> copied (though failed due to out of disk) shows 0 rows, but
>>>> pg_total_relation_size() for that table shows 27GB. So now I have an
>>>> "empty" table that takes 27GB of disk space.
>>>>
>>>> I think the best thing to do is perform a normal VACUUM on the table
>>>>
>>>
>>> Running VACUUM on the newly created table cleared the 27GB so that's
>>> good (I was planning to run normal VACUUM but ran FULL).
>>>
>>
>> you can drop some indexes, then you can run vacuum full, and create
>> dropped indexes again.
>>
>
> The table does not have any indexes. It is mostly an append-only table.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> then CREATE EXTENSION IF NOT EXISTS pgstattuple; then do; SELECT *
>>>> FROM pgstattuple('<tablename>); and the same again on the toast table.
>>>> If your table still contains many dead rows then perhaps an open
>>>> transaction is stopping rows from being turned into free space.
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not sure how to read the below. I see a lot of "free_space" but
>>> not "dead":
>>>
>>> -[ RECORD 1 ]------+------------
>>> ?column? | primary
>>> table_len | 32055296
>>> tuple_count | 120764
>>> tuple_len | 9470882
>>> tuple_percent | 29.55
>>> dead_tuple_count | 0
>>> dead_tuple_len | 0
>>> dead_tuple_percent | 0
>>> free_space | 20713580
>>> free_percent | 64.62
>>> -[ RECORD 2 ]------+------------
>>> ?column? | toast
>>> table_len | 88802156544
>>> tuple_count | 15126830
>>> tuple_len | 30658625743
>>> tuple_percent | 34.52
>>> dead_tuple_count | 0
>>> dead_tuple_len | 0
>>> dead_tuple_percent | 0
>>> free_space | 57653329312
>>> free_percent | 64.92
>>>
>>
>>
>> it say, so your table can be reduced about 60%
>>
>
> That's what I thought, and releasing 65% of 84GB would be major here, but
> unfortunately I am unable to release it because VACUUM FULL requires more
> space than I currently have available.
>
> Perhaps disabling the WAL, if possible, could help VACUUM FULL complete.
> Or some way to do an in-place VACUUM so that it doesn't write all the data
> to a new table.
>
maybe this article can be interesting for you
https://www.depesz.com/2013/06/21/bloat-removal-by-tuples-moving/
> Thank you,
>
> Igal
>
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Once pgstattuples reports that "tuple_len" from the table, its toast
>>>> table
>>>> and all its indexes has been reduced to an acceptable value then you
>>>> should try a VACUUM FULL. Remember that VACUUM FULL must also write
>>>> WAL, so if WAL is on the same volume, then you'll need to consider
>>>> space required for that when deciding how much data to remove from the
>>>> table.
>>>>
>>>
>>> WAL is on the same volume. The PGDATA directory is mounted in a Docker
>>> container.
>>>
>>> Isn't there any way to do an in-place VACUUM or pause the WAL at the
>>> risk of losing some data if recovery is required?
>>>
>>> There is a catch-22 here. I can't reclaim the disk space because that
>>> requires disk space. Surely I'm not the first one to have encountered that
>>> problem with Postgres.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> > This is mostly transient data, so I don't mind deleting rows, but if
>>>> some day this could happen in production then I have to know how to deal
>>>> with it without losing all of the data.
>>>>
>>>> For the future, it would be better to delete more often than waiting
>>>> until the table grows too large. A normal VACUUM will turn space used
>>>> by dead tuples back into free space, so if done often enough there
>>>> won't be a need to vacuum full.
>>>>
>>>
>>> ACK. This issue came up while implementing a retention policy that will
>>> be enforced regularly.
>>>
>>> Thank you for all of your help,
>>>
>>> Igal
>>>
>>>
>>
