Greetings, * Laurenz Albe (laurenz.a...@cybertec.at) wrote: > On Fri, 2020-09-25 at 14:50 +0200, Magnus Hagander wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 25, 2020 at 2:32 PM Laurenz Albe <laurenz.a...@cybertec.at> > > wrote: > > > On Tue, 2020-09-22 at 14:17 +0000, PG Doc comments form wrote: > > > > In "25.3.3.2. Making An Exclusive Low-Level Backup", you said that "The > > > > exclusive backup method is deprecated and should be avoided. Prior to > > > > PostgreSQL 9.6, this was the only low-level method available, but it is > > > > now > > > > recommended that all users upgrade their scripts to use non-exclusive > > > > backups". But in the example in "25.3.6.1. Standalone Hot Backups" you > > > > use > > > > the exclusive version of backup command. Is it a mistake or not? > > > > > > Yes, that's true. > > > > Well, technically it is *correct*. It's just rather silly that we are using > > the deprecated API in the example. > > > > > How about the attached patch? > > > Perhaps that is too complicated, but I have no idea how to make it > > > simpler. > > > > For this example, can't we just show two sessions. That is, "in a psql, run > > pg_start_backup(). > > Then in a different session, copy all the files, and then back in psql run > > pg_stop_backup()" or such? > > > > This is still just an example of a low level operation, where the > > recommendation is (and is there iirc) > > to use a different tool for it already. > > I thought the point of the example is to show a workable script that could > perform a backup and could be used as a starting point to develop your own > backup solution. (I know that there are people who think writing your own > backup solution is evil, but I am not one of them.)
That's certainly not actually the case. We don't currently have anywhere close to sufficient documention (unless you are reading the code and understand how PG works) for someone to develop their own backup solution using the low-level API. There's been attempts to fix that, and I suspect there'll be another attempt to improve the situation for v14, but not sure if that'll be successful. > If we replace that with a verbal description of how to do it, the example just > duplicates what is already documented. > > In that case I would opt for simply removing the example. Removing the example, as it really doesn't do what it implies, is probably the best way to address this. I'm not convinced that we could come up with a sufficient verbal description, but I'm happy to take a look and provide feedback if someone wants to try. Thanks, Stephen
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