I just answered my own question. atttypmod now holds this value. thanks, Rob -----Original Message----- From: Klein, Robert [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 4:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [BUGS] Need some help: attlen is pg_attributes gives a negative value.. . I have a table defined as: create table contacts ( c_name char (20), c_title char (30), c_phone char (13), c_ext char (5), c_email char (60), c_sort char (5) ); when I query the catalog to get the field length for auto generating HTML forms I get: attnum|attname|typname|attlen ------+-------+-------+------ 1|c_name |bpchar | -1 2|c_title|bpchar | -1 3|c_phone|bpchar | -1 4|c_ext |bpchar | -1 5|c_email|bpchar | -1 6|c_sort |bpchar | -1 (6 rows) I know in previous versions the length as defined in the create table statement was given. Any ideas? Rob