I don't care regarding the blames. It's author's concern.
But I also unsuscribed from the list, received the mail, and confirmed.
Neverthless, the mails continue arriving.
On 23/06/17 16:08, Eric P. Melbardis wrote:
this is for the postgress folks,
I started getting these emails a few days, maybe a week ago, I
unsubscribed (I think, I went through the motions for sure)
but I still keep getting these emails …
warm flames for sure
but, can we please put the fire out (ie stop the unwanted email
traffic???)
eric
ps: over ½ the emails have the solitary word ‘unsubscribe’ in them …
wonder if they will get this email also …
*From:*Roland Kaschek [mailto:rolandkasc...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 12:04 PM
*To:* Melvin Davidson
*Cc:* pgadmin-supp...@postgresql.org; Russell Mercer; Paragon Corporation
*Subject:* Re: RE: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
imaginable...
Guys,
There are folks here, who get your posts and since quite some time
want to get out of this list.
Do you think they enjoy your conversation?
I don't, by the way.
Thank you & best regards.
Am 23.06.2017 20:58 schrieb "Melvin Davidson" <melvin6...@yahoo.com
<mailto:melvin6...@yahoo.com>>:
*Russell,*
*>**I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports features in the new
versions of Postgres that *
*> version 3 simply doesn't.*
*Just curious. What features does PgAdmin 4 have that PgAdmin III does
not?*
*I did a survey involving a future feature that is planned, but I have
not yet *
*seen that as of 4 v1.5 .*
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On Friday, June 23, 2017, 2:47:51 PM EDT, Paragon Corporation
<l...@pcorp.us <mailto:l...@pcorp.us>> wrote:
Russell,
I fail to see a “valid” criticism in the original email. If there
anything constructive at all, I would not have deemed him/her a fool.
Respectfully,
Leo
*From:*Russell Mercer [mailto:rmer...@getspatial.com
<mailto:rmer...@getspatial.com>]
*Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 2:04 PM
*To:* Paragon Corporation <l...@pcorp.us <mailto:l...@pcorp.us>>
*Cc:* 'Pgadmin Support' <pgadmin-supp...@postgresql.org
<mailto:pgadmin-supp...@postgresql.org>>
*Subject:* Re: Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
imaginable...
It is my hope that this response does not indicate what I think it
might, which is that the valid criticisms he has made in his emails
are being lost in the immaturity with which he has presented them.
The points are valid that PG Admin 4 is extremely slow on Windows
machines. It is also true that there is a feature gap between this new
version of the software, and PG Admin 3. It is extremely surprising
that this gap exists given the stated $1,000,000+ expenditure for
development of the new version. Where PG Admin 3 was able to spread
across multiple windows on multiple monitors, PG Admin 4 is
constrained to essentially a browser window.
With the issues it has, I still use PG Admin 4 because it supports
features in the new versions of Postgres that version 3 simply
doesn't. I know the developers have been active on the mailing list
and are attempting to suss out some of the thornier performance issues
on Windows. For these reasons, I have made my concerns known a couple
of times, but will not continue to harp on them.
I realize that in the end, I get what I pay for. If you choose to
cast people as fools who have criticisms of your software, that is
your choice. I am a user of the database, and the admin software. I
am not a software developer, so my avenues for action to solve the
problem are limited. I am left with the option to air my concerns, as
are many other people. Hopefully we are not written off simply because
this is all we do, however poorly we may choose to present them.
The story of the court jesters of old comes to mind. They were
written off as fools by the majority of people, however they used that
as cover to deliver what was in many cases, extremely pointed social
commentary. So, while the original poster may be considered a fool, it
does not make him wrong.
Thank you for the time and effort put forth on both PostgreSQL and
PGAdmin. They are great tools!
Russell
On 2017-06-23 07:07, Paragon Corporation wrote:
"Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain. And most fools do."
--- Benjamin Franklin
*From:*grekloe...@tutanota.com <mailto:grekloe...@tutanota.com>
[mailto:grekloe...@tutanota.com]
*Sent:* Friday, June 23, 2017 9:16 AM
*To:* Pgadmin Support <pgadmin-supp...@postgresql.org
<mailto:pgadmin-supp...@postgresql.org>>
*Subject:* Extreme incompetence by pgAdmin people in every way
imaginable...
This isn't even funny. It's just sad and bizarre. Everything about
this project screams of incompetence, from the impossibly slow and
buggy pgAdmin 4 -- literally UNUSABLE after over a million dollars
spent developing it! -- to this mailing list itself.
I'm going to have to assume that nobody gives a shit about
anything related to pgAdmin. I'm sure as hell never going to
"upgrade" from pgAdmin III, which itself is incredibly slow and
buggy as well, but lightyears ahead of v4.
Then again, nobody will read this, just like my previous posts.
You are immune to the truth. I'm going to force myself to use one
of the weird "alternatives" and forget about pgAdmin forever. Bye.
(If I manage to unsubscribe to this inferno.)
