i ran into dan the other day (he was getting a free lunch from damian's class :-) and i proposed this bof to him and he said go for it. the bof subject is the design of the op codes, dispatch loop and the api of op routines. this would also cover the VM architecture (registers), data (PMC), and event handling. i don't have a time or place but let me know if you are interested in this and someone who can book a bof room could help us out. i expect this to be a small focused group with about 10 people. we should be able to get some good group thinking done on our current consensus design. dan said he should have a PDD on this before tpc. that will be our base design to work from. dan is going to tpc and i nominate him to facilitate the bof. all who second, say aye. uri -- Uri Guttman --------- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---------- http://www.sysarch.com SYStems ARCHitecture and Stem Development ------ http://www.stemsystems.com Learn Advanced Object Oriented Perl from Damian Conway - Boston, July 10-11 Class and Registration info: http://www.sysarch.com/perl/OOP_class.html