Folks, I would really appreciate it if we could all hold off on discussions of garbage collecting for a little bit. We're all getting sloppy with terminology, and fuzzy with what does what and when. I should have a first cut of the garbage collection and object cleanup PDD by the end of the week (unless someone cares to beat me to it) and we can go from there. Discussion will take place on the perl6-internals list, since that's where this really belongs. Dan --------------------------------------"it's like this"------------------- Dan Sugalski even samurai [EMAIL PROTECTED] have teddy bears and even teddy bears get drunk