Trey Harris wrote:
The very notions of "enterprise" use and "open source" use and "web"
use are so amorphous that it is hard to imagine core language
features that would foster or discourage them. A language is an
ecosystem, and it's hard to argue that Perl has done poorly in any of
the three; the fact that other languages may currently have more
forward momentum reflects, as much as anything else, that Perl
reached saturation in these areas many years ago.
As for that point :
in these areas many years ago.
If other languages are now favoured for web development over Perl5
that is supposed to have reached saturation years ago,
it means that it wasn't the optimum or even closed to be it.
While perl6 is being implemented it is perhaps a good idea to evoluate
perl 6
in regards to perl 5 at the language level but also cultural and
environment level.
I wanted to point out that offering an ecosystem, water, was perhaps
good enough
when perl went thru.
But now, roads, high-way and plane are very common things in new languages.
They do implement more than just a basic ecosystem.
This offers coherence, standard and assurance that programm A will run
in context Y and Z without having to rebuilt the road.
For what I have seen, many people in this mailing list thinks that the
ecosystem
is good enough.
But as somebody says in this mailing list,
when you go buy a car you want everything in it.
Not going in a, b,c ,d shops to get it to work.
That's why open source projects favor php or ruby because
the assurance the program will run in context is higher
than in perl and it seems like it will in perl 6.
So perhaps this shouldn't have to be discussed in a 'language'
mailing list but I guess a language is built upon a certain
context whether you want to hear about it or not.
But don't get me wrong!
I don't want to blame anything at all!
I wanted to point out that CPAN was the sucess of perl.
But C6PAN might be it failure.
Like an other person said, having a web module,
that will be part of the core documentation
without even having to be in the core of perl 6
would be a very good solution.
This will offer standard, assurance and allow
wide spread use of perl 6 over predominant actual languages.
In order to do so, the language has to take into account
what are the most common actual needs and reflect them
to some extends.
French used to have many verbs and tricky grammar rules.
It tends to disappear and in the same time English words,
computer words are just getting in our everyday life
more and more.
Perhaps we won't be using them in 2 years but and so what?
If we need them now.
Don't you think this has to do with perl 6 language?
now,now,now,it's all about now.
as said Jeff Buckley...
But this might not be the place and I will stop here.
Thank you anyway for your kind reply.
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