> > A-T requires me to do things differently, and it's that difference that > introduces the lack of flexibility.
I had a bunch of foo written that I removed, mainly because this is the real issue, for you I guess - the idea that different is somehow bad or inflexible, that anyone who creates something useful needs to integrate itself so tightly with the current CPAN mode that users shouldn't need to break with what they know to use it. funny, though, I don't hear anyone complaining about, say, Devel::Cover because you need to do some extra foo with a standard Makefile.PL. but ok, you got me, it's different. your criticims seem to fall into two camps o A-T features (like hitting 1.3 and 2.0 in the same run) o user integration (like not being able to use prove) for the former, all I can say is feel free to suggest features you'd like to see (sans handwaving) in the appropriate forum. for the latter, well, there's a very real reason you can't use things like prove, Module::Install, etc with Apache-Test - they need to become A-T aware. really, how could prove know to start any standalone server (apache, sendmail, or whatever)? show me an interest in making core and other third-party modules people rely on A-T aware and we can work on it. until then, it's not my itch to work on reducing a very, very complex task beyond the 4 extra lines in your Makefile.PL and the setting of an environment variable. /me out - it's friday --Geoff