On Monday 10 October 2005 23:41, Andy Lester wrote: > On Mon, Oct 10, 2005 at 02:27:03PM -0700, Michael G Schwern ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > The way you've broken down the nattier bits of Test::Harness, such as > > _show_results(), into digestable functions has value. I'd like to see > > that sort of thing as patches to Test::Harness rather than in a fork. > > I do NOT want to see that sort of thing as patches to Test::Harness. > > I would like anyone who presumes that he's going to change the internals > of a module I maintain to talk to me about a general overview of the > changes first, rather than a sweep of the hand that says "What you have > here must be eradicated and replaced by my method that is clearly > better." That way we can talk about what direction things can go, > rather than having a pile of patches that won't be used. >
You are right. Thing is that I noticed Test::Harness had monlithic functions, and wasn't an object (and thus did not have over-ridable methods), etc. I wanted to heavily revamp it and change the entire code, in a non-compatible way, but did not know exactly what I was going to do, because I had no intimate knowledge of the code. Converting T::S::H to have an object instance that will be pass around from function to function was the first thing I did. Later it facilitated adding more refactorings. > But it's bigger than that. > > Frankly, Shlomi, I continue to be insulted by your sweeping changes: > > my @projects = ( > "language, Perl," => "Rindolf", Actually, Rindolf was supposed an alternative to _Perl 6_, due to me being unhappy with it. Originally, it was not supposed to be backwards compatible with Perl 5, but later was compatible. > "learn.perl.org" => "perlmeme.org", Actually it's more accurately "learn.perl.org" => "perl-begin.berlios.de". "perlmeme.org" is orthoganal to both. Perlmeme was started without my involvement, and I found myself contributing to it only further. Perl-Begin, OTOH is my baby. My history with learn.perl.org is this: 1. I began writing perl-begin out of frustration from learn.perl.org. 2. A news item I wrote about it, was re-routed to the learn.perl.org guys, where it was decided that I will do a redesign and extension of l.p.o. 3. After Perl-Begin was in a more complete state, I tried to recommend the l.p.o guys to integrate its changes in the site. No-one responded. I tried to subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED], but I couldn't because it's not open for subscribers. I also wasn't added manually. 4. Without too much choice, I set up perl-begin.berlios.de and hosted my version of the site there. 5. Eventually, I contacted the perl.org admins about linking to perl-begin, and they decided that instead of learn.perl.org, which was heavily unmaintained, they should instead have a http://www.perl.org/learn/ section. I designed such a page, and submitted a patch against the perl.org sources to the Perl.org admins. They had their share of trouble from then, and as a result, it wasn't integrated. > "Test::Harness" => "Test::Shlomif::Harness", I plan Test::Shlomif::Harness (whatever it will be permananetly named) to be an alternative to Test::Harness. One would be able to use it instead, and exploit its better modularity and extensibility. There is still a lot of code that uses Test::Harness around, and so Test::Harness still needs to be maintained. I also plan to implement a Test::Harness-compatible module eventually that makes use of Test::Shlomif::Harness. (but did not get to it yet.) Think of T::S::H vs. Test::Harness as Module::Build to ExtUtils::MakeMaker, or CPANPLUS to CPAN, or PONIE to perl 5. > Your attitude is inappropriate and counteractive for a community-based > open source project like Perl and Perl testing. The first mention of > this harness was a few weeks ago, when we were notified that you were > going to fork Test::Harness. Forking a project should be the path of > LAST RESORT, not the first. See also > http://geeketiquette.infotrope.net/archives/2005/04/19/patches-forks-and-ta >keovers/ I realize the problem with forking. However, I span-off the codebase, in order to convert it to something much better. I asked for your permission to do that, and outlined my plans, and you gave me your permission. So I went on to "show you the code", and back my words with code. > > I would be glad to talk to you one-on-one on specific plans and features > for Test::Harness. Nik Clayton and I, for example, have worked out some > changes to the straps mechanism that fits his needs. My email address > and AIM account are in every email. Until then, I'm not interested. > OK, we'll talk on AIM. Regards, Shlomi Fish --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://www.shlomifish.org/ 95% of the programmers consider 95% of the code they did not write, in the bottom 5%.
