On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 09:32:51PM -0600, Michael Carman wrote: > > I think this is the most valuable part of the exercise - the bugs you find > > when you think 'its got 98% coverage, there cant possibly be any bugs > > left...oh, look' > > With a little luck, that's when it finally sinks that coverage != correctness; > it's just a tool to help achieve it. *That* is a valuable lesson.
That's just a corallary to "tests can't prove there are no bugs". But just in looking through the coverage for tiny points that I missed caused me to look at code that I've long ignored, like the failure diagnostic code for is_deeply(). Something I prefer not to look at. It caused me to tidy a few things up and yes, in covering the 4th possible outcome of an xor condition I found ANOTHER BUG. https://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bug.html?id=8865 Minor, but still a bug. I even spotted a test that said this sort of outcome was ok. In the end, its a tool. Like all tools its not so much the tool but the hand that wields it. -- Michael G Schwern [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ "Congratulations, you're a thieving bastard... Now give me back my pants." 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Move along. -- http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:47:47 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:47:47 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:47:47 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx117.postini.com ([64.18.0.89] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQ8h-0006fn-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:47:47 -0800 Received: from source ([68.78.194.78]) by exprod5mx117.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:50:27 EST Received: (qmail 16751 invoked by uid 511); 15 Dec 2004 03:36:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 16745 invoked by uid 0); 15 Dec 2004 03:36:21 -0000 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@mail.insensible.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.2.0 Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:35:50 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Dave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [qmailadmin] Configure problem on Fedora Core 2 X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Whether I specify configure options or not I always end up with the same result: configure: creating ./config.status config.status: creating Makefile sed: file /tmp/cseL8232/subs-2.sed line 32: Unterminated `s' command config.status: creating config.h config.status: executing depfiles commands %> ls -la Makefile -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 Dec 14 21:30 Makefile I've search google and the mailing list a bunch and only came up with a libtoolize option in the qmailadmin directory which results in: %> libtoolize Remember to add `AC_PROG_LIBTOOL' to `configure.in'. 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In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Virus-Checked: Checked X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.0750) GT3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 After some experimentation, it seems that if I use load Apache::DBI while using my own PerlChildInitHandler that indeed database connection that time out do get reconnected (as expected). I'm still at a loss as to why 'connect_on_init' does not work for me. Cheers, -J -- On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Joshua Hoblitt wrote: > Hi Folks, > > This is my first serious attempt at working with mod_perl so please excuse me > if this e-mail is a little naive. > > I have a SOAP::Transport::HTTP::Apache application that makes fairly heavy > use > of DBI. I would like to use Apache::DBI so I don't have to write my own > logic > for keep alives and reconnecting broken database handles. Unfortunately, the > connect_on_init method does not seem to work for me. > > When I place this snippet in my Apache configuration my database (MySQL) > reports that no database threads have been spawned. > > -- > PerlModule DBI > PerlModule Apache::DBI > . > . > > <perl> > Apache::DBI->connect_on_init( > "DBI:mysql:database=foo:host=localhost", > "foo", > "foo", > ); > </perl> > -- > > When I replace that with: > > -- > PerlModule My::Foo > . > . > > <perl> > Apache->push_handlers(PerlChildInitHandler => sub { > My::Foo->setup( > "DBI:mysql:database=foo:host=localhost", > "foo", > "foo", >> ; > } > ); > </perl> > -- > > Where ->setup is creating a database handle and storing it in a package > variable. The database reports 64 threads (the number of Apache children at > startup) active on the database. This has left me completely puzzled as > Apache::DBI is also installing a PerChildInitHandler. > > I'm running this with Perl 5.8.5 on Apache 1.3.33/mod_perl 1.29. > > Any advice would be much appreciated. > > Cheers, > > -J > > -- > > -- > Report problems: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ > Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html > List etiquette: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/email-etiquette.html > > -- Report problems: http://perl.apache.org/bugs/ Mail list info: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/modperl.html List etiquette: http://perl.apache.org/maillist/email-etiquette.html From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:49:02 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:49:02 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@mail-archive.com Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:02 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx117.postini.com ([64.18.0.89] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQ9u-0006i7-00 for <archive@mail-archive.com>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:02 -0800 Received: from source ([69.16.138.164]) by exprod5mx117.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:51:43 EST Received: from [69.16.138.164] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lists.digium.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3A3F2FEAD0; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:34:52 -0600 (CST) X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from psmtp.com (exprod5mx125.postini.com [64.18.0.39]) by lists.digium.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 2F3AD2FED57 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:32:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from source ([210.86.15.158]) by exprod5mx125.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 08:32:09 PST Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by avmta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:32:09 +1300 Received: from [10.0.0.10] ([222.152.94.228]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:32:09 +1300 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 05:24:03 +1300 From: Matt Riddell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Organization: SineApps Limited User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Asterisk-Users] IAXy provisioning References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-pstn-levels: (S:33.28599/99.90000 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [65/3] X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Asterisk Users Mailing List - Non-Commercial Discussion <asterisk-users.lists.digium.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://lists.digium.com/pipermail/asterisk-users> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hi. > I am trying to provision my newly purchased IAXy. > I tried > ./iaxyprov 192.168.0.4 myiaxy.conf > It print a bunch of numbers on screen and then > say > Provisioning is 63 bytes > Total packet is 77 bytes > Got response back from '192.168..0.4' Does it really say '192.168..0.4'? There are two fullstops there. What is the contents of that myiaxy.conf file? -- Cheers, Matt Riddell _______________________________________________ http://www.sineapps.com/news.php (Daily Asterisk News - html) http://www.sineapps.com/rssfeed.php (Daily Asterisk News - rss) _______________________________________________ Asterisk-Users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users To UNSUBSCRIBE or update options visit: http://lists.digium.com/mailman/listinfo/asterisk-users From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:49:43 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:49:43 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@mail-archive.com Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:43 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx87.postini.com ([64.18.0.75] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQAZ-0006iQ-00 for <archive@mail-archive.com>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:43 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx87.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:52:21 PST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 883EC3222E588048B6BC69D1D83BF8E6 Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:53:41 -0500 Subject: RE: Mail Server Software From: "Burns, John D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 Greaatttt....NOW you send this out. This looks awesome, and we just bought iMail a month ago. That really sucks because I agree that this looks a lot better and a lot cheaper. Oh well, I guess it's something to consider for the future. John Burns ________________________________ From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 12/14/2004 9:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mail Server Software HostMySite.com is converting over from IpSwitch Imail Server to SmarterTools SmarterMail as of TOMORROW. I'm the email administrator for HMS, and let me tell you I will breath a sigh of relief when we get this up and running and all of our 30 or so Imail servers migrated over. We've done some prelim testing and found SmarterMail to be far better than Imail in the performance department. Two big considerations: 1. Imail's webmail client vs SmarterMail webmail It's like comparing the fake rock you gave your first wife to the Hope Diamond. 2. Imail stores the email for each folder in a single text-format .mbx file. This can result in some HUGE files that degrade server performance considerably (thing fragmentation). Smartermail on the other hand stores emails as they are meant to be - a separate file for each. 3. Did I mention the web interface? Here's a sample for you: http://www.hostmysite.com/smartermaildemo E-mail Address: demo@ hostmysite.com Password: demo If you have any other questions about SmarterMail, let me know I'll be happy to clarify. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187691 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=11502.10531.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:49:47 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:49:47 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:47 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx128.postini.com ([64.18.0.42] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQAd-0006iZ-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:47 -0800 Received: from source ([204.74.68.40]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx128.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:52:28 PST Received: from frodo.hserus.net ([3ffe:401d:2022:b::2]:4388) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43 #0) id 1CeQDD-0003hu-Kh for <archive@jab.org>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:22:27 +0530 Received: from client4.hv-ywh.com ([209.239.34.96]:45677) by frodo.hserus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43 #0) id 1CeQCm-0003Wo-C5 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:22:00 +0530 Received: from indoasian5 ([EMAIL PROTECTED] [203.200.126.82] (may be forged)) by client4.hv-ywh.com (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id iBF3puHs012246 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:51:58 -0500 Received: from 193.168.1.100 by indoasian5 ([193.168.1.250] running VPOP3) with ESMTP for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:21:22 +0530 Received: from 192.168.2.10 by iafl-noida ([193.168.1.100] running VPOP3) with ESMTP for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:35:51 +0530 Received: from 192.168.2.50 by indoasian4 ([192.168.2.10] running VPOP3) with ESMTP for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:28:46 +0530 Subject: Re: [ilugd] rhn applet From: bimal pandit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.2 (1.2.2-5) Date: 15 Dec 2004 09:22:59 +0530 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0c - Registered to: POP X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: The Linux-Delhi mailing list <ilugd.lists.linux-delhi.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.6 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DSBL, RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY,RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP autolearn=no version=2.64 On Tue, 2004-12-14 at 17:45, komal wrote: > Hello > > I am using FC3. How to disable rhn-applet ? > > Thank you > > Regards, > > Komal yes, do rpm -e rhn-applet this will do the job!! bimal pandit _______________________________________________ ilugd mailinglist -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:49:49 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:49:49 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:49 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx88.postini.com ([64.18.0.76] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQAf-0006ii-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:49 -0800 Received: from source ([67.19.121.10]) by exprod5mx88.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:52:28 CST Received: from mx11.client.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server22.client.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4E73470F32 for <archive@jab.org>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:51:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 13468 invoked by uid 527); 15 Dec 2004 03:50:20 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-Url: http://www.balita-anda.com X-Provider: http://www.indoglobal.com List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sequence: 65104 Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 13456 invoked from network); 15 Dec 2004 03:50:20 -0000 Received-SPF: pass (server22.client.org: local policy) Received: from mail2.xl.co.id (HELO xl-nmp01.excelcom.co.id) (202.152.224.5) by server22.client.org (qpsmtpd/0.28) with ESMTP; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 03:50:20 +0000 Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) by xl-nmp01.excelcom.co.id (8.12.9/8.12.9) id iBF3o3IU029956 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:50:03 +0700 X-pstn-settings: 2 (0.15000:0.45000) p:3 r:3 m:3 c:4 X-pstn-version: pase:2.13 X-pstn-levels: s:21.06944/99.78058 p:95.91080 r:95.91080 m:99.55420 c:80.10072 X-pstn-address: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-spam: N Received: from UNKNOWN (10.21.106.23, claiming to be "jktgrhxmx01.intra.excelcom.co.id") by xl-nmp01 007zmG29; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:50:01 WIT X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C4E259.27383252" Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 10:50:00 +0700 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Sakit Mata (tolong dikirim ke milis balita-anda) Thread-Index: AcTiVmBYqvOPIYAcS/y+8rHIthFFqQAArGkQ From: "Puspita M. Afrilianthi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [balita-anda] FW: Sakit Mata (tolong dikirim ke milis balita-anda) X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4E259.27383252 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: Rudy Christna=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:30 AM To: Puspita M. Afrilianthi Subject: Sakit Mata (tolong dikirim ke milis balita-anda) Dear Mom&Dads, Ini adalah pelajaran utk kita sebagai orang tua utk sedini mungkin melihat kejanggalan pada anak kita, biasanya anak2 kalo sakit tidak dirasakan krn sibuk dgn bermain/belajar (Anda bisa perhatikan meskipun mereka sedang demam tp kalo ada temen2nya mereka seperti tidak merasakan sakit di tubuhnya). Keponakan saya akhirnya divonis bahwa ternyata sudah kena kanker mata (RETINOBLASTOMA), dan tumor tsb sudah sebesar bola matanya (hasil ronsen di RSCM). Saya sendiri tidak menyadari kalo anak tsb menderita kanker mata dan kanker ini nomor 3 terganas didunia setelah kanker otak dan kanker darah yg MENYERANG ANAK-ANAK DIBAWAH 5 THN, pencegahan or pengobatan masih melalui kemoterapi, tetapi kalo sudah stadium III or IV mungkn mesti diangkat bola matanya agar tidak menjalar ke mata sebelah terutama otak, temen kantor saya, anaknya juga mengalami kanker mata di usia 2,5thn dan tidak tertolong meskipun hampir sebulan dirawat di Singapura. Sebenarnya penyakit kanker ini bisa dideteksi sedini mungkin seandainya orangtua lebih teliti melihat perkembangan anak.=20 - Tumor otak : Gejala tumor ini adalah sakit kepala disertai mual atau muntah, daya penglihatan berkurang, penurunan kesadaran atau perubahan perilaku, pada bayi biasanya ubun-ubun besarnya menonjol. - Tumor darah : sering merasa lesu, pucat, demam yang tak jelas sebabnya, nyeri tulang, pendarahan abnormal atau benjolan pada kulit. - Tumor mata : seandainya anak2 terdapat bercak putih di bagian tengah mata mirip mata kucing (coba perhatikan hasil foto mereka dan bandingkan dgn foto anak2 yg lain, biasanya kalo red eyes timbul flash merah kecil tp kalo flash merah dimatanya agak besar bulat, lebih baik dicheck ke dokter mata krn ini salah satu gejalanya. Bisa juga dicoba dgn mengetest huruf or benda kepada mereka dgn menutup salah satu matanya), Munculnya bercak putih (bisa diliat dr hasil foto pada siang hari di luar ruangan, biasanya flash sinar putihnya lebih besar dr yg anak2 lain meskipun matanya tidak fokus ke kamera), ini adalah salah satu gejala kanker mata. Gejala lain adalah penglihatan terganggu, mata menjadi juling yang kalau dibiarkan berakibat bola mata menonjol keluar. Dan MASIH BANYAK LAGI TUMOR YG BISA MENYERANG ANAK2 DAN ORANG DEWASA, sebenarnya penyakit2 tsb bisa diatasi dan dihindari dgn banyak mengkonsumsi sayur2an dan bahan makanan yg TIDAK DIAWETKAN, mungkin miliser nggak menyadari anak2 kita sering mengkonsumsi makanan kecil/snack or fastfood yg biasa dibeli di mall2 or supermaket, makanan2 tsb yg memicu berkembangnya tumor yg sudah ada ditubuh kita. Ada baiknya dari kecil mereka sudah kita ajarkan utk mengkonsumsi makanan natural (sayur2an dan kacang2an), Teh hijau dan Jahe menurut beberapa pakar dapat menghindari dan mengobati tumor pada manusia, meskipuin belom pasti tapi kalo dikonsumsipun tidak ada efek sampingnya, mengapa kita tidak mencoba dari sekarang..!! Sekali lagi waspada dgn kejanggalan anak2 kita baik tingkah laku or pertumbuhannya. Regards, RC Silahkan baca ulasannya di Sinar Harapan 2003 dibawah ini : JAKARTA - Mendengar kata kanker, maka yang terlintas di benak kita adalah hal-hal buruk semata. Tak mengherankan, penyakit satu ini memang masih sulit diobati. Belum lagi, biaya pengobatannya yang tak bisa dibilang kecil. Akibatnya, banyak orang yang memutuskan untuk tidak pergi ke dokter dan memilih pengobatan alternatif yang biayanya relatif lebih rendah.=20 Sikap semacam ini juga dianut oleh kebanyakan orangtua anak penderita kanker. Orang tua yang mengetahui anaknya terdeteksi penyakit kanker kerap mundur dari terapi yang ditentukan dokter. Kebanyakan juga lebih suka anaknya ditangani melalui pengobatan alternatif. Atau, kalaupun akhirnya mereka membawa anaknya ke rumah sakit, stadium penyakit telah mencapai tahap lanjut.=20 Berdasarkan catatan International Confederation of Childhood Cancer Parent Organizations (ICCCPO), jumlah anak penderita kanker di seluruh dunia diperkirakan berjumlah 250.000 atau sekitar empat persen dari seluruh penderita kanker. Dari jumlah tersebut, 20 persen saja yang memperoleh perawatan memadai.=20 Sementara itu di Indoneisa, menurut catatan Departemen Kesehatan (Depkes), penderita kanker setiap tahunnya diperkirakan mencapai 100 penderita baru di antara 100.000 penduduk. Dengan jumlah penduduk 200 juta, maka diperkirakan setiap tahunnya ditemukan sekitar 200.000 penderita kanker baru di Indonesia. Dari jumlah tersebut, setiap tahunnya ditemukan 4.000 anak yang menderita kanker. Yang memprihatinkan, kanker pada anak sangat sulit dideteksi sejak dini. Inilah yang membedakan mereka dengan penderita kanker dewasa, seperti kanker mulut rahim, kanker payudara dan kanker kulit Jenis kanker yang sering ditemukan pada anak antara lain, kanker darah atau leukemia, tumor otak, kanker kelenjar getah bening alias limfoma, kanker retinoblastoma atau mata, kanker saraf atau neuroblatoma, kanker ginjal, kanker jaringan otot lurik atau rabdomiosamiosarkoma dan kanker tulang yang populer dengan nama osteosarkoma. Di antara itu semua yang paling banyak menyerang anak-anak adalah leukemia. Kanker darah ini diderita 25-30 persen dari seluruh jenis kanker. Biasanya leukimia menjangkiti anak usia tiga hingga enam tahun dan lebih banyak diderita anak lelaki. Orang tua sebaiknya waspada kalau menemui anaknya sering merasa lesu, pucat, demam yang tak jelas sebabnya, nyeri tulang, pendarahan abnormal atau benjolan pada kulit. Sebab semua ini adalah gejala leukimia. Kepala Sub Bag Hematologi dan Onkologi Fakultas Kedokteran Universitas Indonesia (FKUI) dan RS Cipto Mangunkusumo Djajadiman Gatot mengakui, orang tua memang sering mengalami kesulitan dalam mendeteksi kanker yang dialami oleh anaknya sejak dini. Ini disebabkan anak-anak cenderung diam dan tidak mengeluh jika tak mengalami sakit yang terlalu berarti. Akibat kanker pada anak sulit terdeteksi, maka tak heran bila anak-anak yang menjalani perawatan di rumah sakit, sudah pada stadium III dan IV. Dia juga menjelaskan bahwa kanker pada anak memang ada kaitannya dengan gen. "Namun, gen tidak selalu berarti keturunan. Bahkan belum ada bukti sangat kuat yang menyebutkan bahwa penyakit ini turunan," ujar Djajadiman. Masalah genetik berkaitan dengan mutasi gen (pembawa sifat makhluk yang memilikinya). Bisa berarti ada gen yang hilang atau berpindah tempat. Bahkan ada beberapa sel yang mengalami kelainan genetik yang tetap.=20 Jenis kanker lain yang biasa menyerang anak adalah tumor otak. Djajadiman menyatakan, tumor ini entah ganas atau tidak bisa mengganggu dan merusak struktur susunan pusat. Ini disebabkan letaknya berada dalam rongga tengkorak. Gejala tumor ini adalah sakit kepala disertai mual atau muntah, daya penglihatan berkurang, penurunan kesadaran atau perubahan perilaku, pada bayi biasanya ubun-ubun besarnya menonjol. Sedangkan bagi orangtua yang mendapati anaknya memiliki bercak putih di bagian tengah mata mirip mata kucing, sebaiknya segera waspada. Munculnya bercak putih ini adalah salah satu gejala kanker mata. Gejala lain adalah penglihatan terganggu, mata menjadi juling yang kalau dibiarkan berakibat bola mata menonjol keluar. Pada stadium lanjut ketika sel kanker telah masuk ke dalam rongga otak maka bisa didapati gejala mirip tumor otak. Anak usia lima hingga tujuh tahun tercatat sebagai penderita kanker kelenjar getah bening yang tertinggi. Dibanding anak perempuan, anak lelaki lebih berpotensi terjangkit. Perbandingannya bisa 3:1. Kanker ini biasa ditandai dengan pembesaran dan pembengkakan kelenjar getah bening di leher, ketiak atau selangkangan. Bila munculnya pada kelenjar getah bening usus maka akan timbul gejala sakit perut, muntah, tidak bisa buang air besar dan demam. Namun jika di daerah dada akan disertai gejala sesak napas. Jenis kanker lain yang juga perlu diwaspadai adalah kanker saraf atau neuroblastoma. Biasa menyerang anak usia nol hingga empat tahun, kanker ini juga lebih banyak diderita anak lelaki daripada perempuan, Biasanya banyak ditemukan pada kelenjar anak ginjal yang pada masa embrional dibentuk dari sel-sel primitif. Gejala neuroblastoma cukup tergantung pada letak tumor dalam tubuh. Bila timbul di daerah leher atau rongga dada dapat menyebabkan bola mata menonjol, kelopak mata turun dan pupil melebar. Kalau terdapat di tulang belakang maka mengakibatkan kelumpuhan progresif. Sedangkan jenis kanker lain adalah kanker ginjal. Penyakit yang dalam istilah medis dikenal dengan nama tumor Wilms ini biasa diderita anak usia 3,5 tahun. Gejalanya meliputi kencing berdarah, rasa tak enak di dalam perut dan perut mengeras. Pernah pula ditemukan kasus kanker ini pada orang dewasa. Sementara kanker otot lurik menyerang anak usia lima tahun. Kanker ini bisa menyerang bagian tubuh mana saja. Yang paling banyak ditemukan adalah daerah kepala, leher, kandung kemih dan vagina. Gejalanya mulai dari nyeri pada telinga, mata menonjol, pembengkakan muka hingga gangguan buang air kecil atau kencing berdarah. Dan kanker jenis lain adalah osteosarkoma alias kanker tulang. Biasa menyerang anak usia 10-20 tahun, kanker ini juga lebih banyak dijumpai pada anak lelaki ketimbang perempuan. Gejala yang timbul adalah nyeri tulang, demam, juga pembengkakan progresif. Saat ini pengobatan kemoterapi masih menjadi langkah utama dalam mengatasi kanker. Namun sesungguhnya kemoterapi untuk penderita kanker, termasuk kanker anak tidak membuat sel-sel kanker itu mati. Sel-sel itu hanya tidur. Untuk itu kita harus berusaha agar tidak merangsang sel-sel yang tidur tadi.=20 Sel-sel yang tidur selama lima tahun tidak berkembang, maka kita katakan sel itu sudah mati. Dan apabila selama lima tahun atau lebih, tidak ditemukan kelainan lagi pada penderita kanker tersebut, maka dapat dikatakan yang bersangkutan sudah sembuh dari penyakitnya. (mer) Copyright (c) Sinar Harapan 2003 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C4E259.27383252-- From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:49:54 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:49:54 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:54 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx97.postini.com ([64.18.0.85] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQAk-0006ir-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:49:54 -0800 Received: from source ([64.118.64.245]) by exprod5mx97.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:52:31 PST Received: from LOCALHOST by LOCALHOST with ESMTP id 883EC3222E588048B6BC69D1D83BF8E6 Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:53:41 -0500 Subject: RE: Mail Server Software From: "Burns, John D" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain Precedence: bulk Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:48:01 -0500 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.5022 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forward (good recip) [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=no version=2.64 Greaatttt....NOW you send this out. This looks awesome, and we just bought iMail a month ago. That really sucks because I agree that this looks a lot better and a lot cheaper. Oh well, I guess it's something to consider for the future. John Burns ________________________________ From: Jamie Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 12/14/2004 9:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Mail Server Software HostMySite.com is converting over from IpSwitch Imail Server to SmarterTools SmarterMail as of TOMORROW. I'm the email administrator for HMS, and let me tell you I will breath a sigh of relief when we get this up and running and all of our 30 or so Imail servers migrated over. We've done some prelim testing and found SmarterMail to be far better than Imail in the performance department. Two big considerations: 1. Imail's webmail client vs SmarterMail webmail It's like comparing the fake rock you gave your first wife to the Hope Diamond. 2. Imail stores the email for each folder in a single text-format .mbx file. 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Here's a sample for you: http://www.hostmysite.com/smartermaildemo E-mail Address: demo@ hostmysite.com Password: demo If you have any other questions about SmarterMail, let me know I'll be happy to clarify. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| Special thanks to the CF Community Suite Silver Sponsor - New Atlanta http://www.newatlanta.com Message: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=i:4:187691 Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/threads.cfm/4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/lists.cfm/link=s:4 Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/unsubscribe.cfm?user=89.70.4 Donations & Support: http://www.houseoffusion.com/tiny.cfm/54 From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:53:14 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:53:14 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:53:14 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.0.88] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQDy-0006l2-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:53:14 -0800 Received: from source ([203.176.80.8]) by exprod5mx116.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:55:52 PST Received: from mail.q-linux.com (mail.q-linux.com [127.0.0.1]) by mail.q-linux.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D104361DCC; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:35:38 +0800 (PHT) X-Original-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from rproxy.gmail.com (rproxy.gmail.com [64.233.170.204]) by mail.q-linux.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74ADC61DC5 for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:35:35 +0800 (PHT) Received: by rproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id a41so1212021rng for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:55:39 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:references; b=RprWoYyJVJzVe6vJqkP3dIQT/mvNKlaIJJyXqgXjeNt2EGddcN2X7tfBWJhW7hBP0n1oRSWYupLGEK0jZoN4KGsHUrKLFiOfCQCEVWQ0R8c+xNVeH3TFkAsN9137pFBTsbrjfwPk+qSr3IBkh+vhMu57XwYo5fL5eTtDKEU2b6M= Received: by 10.38.76.69 with SMTP id y69mr1790572rna; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:55:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.38.151.22 with HTTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:55:39 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:55:39 +0800 From: Dax Cordova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [plug] Web Server In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.4 Precedence: list Reply-To: Dax Cordova <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Id: Philippine Linux Users Group Mailing List <plug.lists.q-linux.com> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Archive: <http://lists.q-linux.com/pipermail/plug> List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug>, <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Errors-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.64 tried using it, its better compared to apache when it comes to performance and security. i recommend it. ive seen a network appliance build by this guy Lawrence Hues something which uses advx in cebu. On Wed, 15 Dec 2004 01:21:11 -0000, Marvin T. Pascual <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Prem Vilas Fortran Rara <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > > Mandrake is already suitable for webserving. > > And I don't know if anyone is aware of this <http://www.advx.org/> project and > using it. > > --- > MARVIN T. PASCUAL > E-mail: mpascual AT qsr DOT com DOT ph > Tel. No. +63 2 9200189 > Mobile No. +63 918 4115188 > Yahoo! Messenger ID: bintut > GNU/Linux User No. 247127 > -- > Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) > Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph > Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph > . > To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug > . > Are you a Linux newbie? 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Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ _______________________________________________ JBoss-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-user From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:53:36 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:53:36 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:53:36 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.0.41] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQEK-0006lb-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:53:36 -0800 Received: from source ([216.92.131.4]) by exprod5mx127.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:56:16 CST Received: (qmail 96293 invoked by uid 1010); 15 Dec 2004 03:54:18 -0000 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-unsubscribe: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> list-post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Delivered-To: mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: (qmail 95136 invoked by uid 1010); 15 Dec 2004 03:54:06 -0000 Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 04:54:02 +0100 Message-Id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: #28351 [Opn->Bgs]: Arrays and string keya starting with "\x00" character. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-PHP-Bug: 28351 X-PHP-Version: Irrelevant X-PHP-Category: Arrays related X-PHP-OS: FreeBSD X-PHP-Status: Bogus X-PHP-Old-Status: Open X-PHP-Reported-By: risearch at risearch dot org X-PHP-Updated-By: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-pstn-levels: (S:99.90000/99.90000 R:95.9108 P:95.9108 M:94.8624 C:98.9754 ) X-pstn-settings: 1 (0.1500:0.1500) gt3 gt2 gt1 r p m c X-pstn-addresses: from <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [294/10] X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.64 (2004-01-11) on toko.jab.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.7 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.64 ID: 28351 Updated by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reported By: risearch at risearch dot org -Status: Open +Status: Bogus Bug Type: Arrays related Operating System: FreeBSD PHP Version: Irrelevant New Comment: Thank you for taking the time to report a problem with PHP. Unfortunately you are not using a current version of PHP -- the problem might already be fixed. Please download a new PHP version from http://www.php.net/downloads.php If you are able to reproduce the bug with one of the latest versions of PHP, please change the PHP version on this bug report to the version you tested and change the status back to "Open". Again, thank you for your continued support of PHP. And it's not our problem if someone doesn't update.. Previous Comments: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [2004-05-10 21:55:22] risearch at risearch dot org The output is ===================== 4.3.4 done ===================== Server info: FreeBSD 4.9-STABLE #0: Thu Jan i386 I don't know more details because it is not my server. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [2004-05-10 18:57:44] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On the server where you encounter the problem, run this script and paste the output here: <?php echo phpversion() . "\n"; foreach(array("\x00D" => 1) as $k => $v) { echo bin2hex($k); }; echo "done\n"; ?> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [2004-05-10 18:38:52] risearch at risearch dot org The bug is in arrays. When you iterate through whole array some of the keys (which has "\x00" as first character) returned by foreach ($arr as $k => $v) are incorrect. Empty string is returned in $k. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [2004-05-10 18:29:57] [EMAIL PROTECTED] What exactly is the bug? In the arrays or in the contents of the file? How are you testing it? (you need to be more specific if you want someone else to be able to reproduce it) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ [2004-05-10 18:23:25] risearch at risearch dot org Description: ------------ I use PHP on WinXP and Linux box. Older versions had bug with array keys starting wuth "\x00" character. Now there is no such bug on my computers (WinXP/Apache/php-4.3.4-Win32 & php-4.3.6-Win32 or Linux/Apache 1.3.29/PHP 4.3.4), but some of the script's users complain that script works on Windows box but does not on server. So, I guess that some of the versions still have this bug (like MacOSX/Apache/PHP4.3.2 or BSD/Apache/PHP4.3.4, as reported by users). Reproduce code: --------------- $key = "\x00\x00"; $arr[$key] = 1; $key = "\x00\x44"; $arr[$key] = 2; $key = "\x44\x44"; $arr[$key] = 3; $fp = fopen("test","wb"); foreach ($arr as $k => $v) { fwrite($fp,"'$k' => $v\n"); } Expected result: ---------------- '\x00\x00' => 1 '\x00D' => 2 'DD' => 3 /* instead of "\x00" zero-character should be written to file */ Actual result: -------------- '' => 1 '' => 2 'DD' => 3 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Edit this bug report at http://bugs.php.net/?id=28351&edit=1 From jeff Wed Dec 15 03:53:37 2004 Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Delivery-Date: Tue Dec 14 19:53:37 2004 Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Envelope-to: archive@jab.org Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:53:37 -0800 Received: from exprod5mx23.postini.com ([64.18.0.138] helo=psmtp.com) by toko.jab.org with smtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CeQEL-0006ll-00 for <archive@jab.org>; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:53:37 -0800 Received: from source ([66.35.250.220]) (using TLSv1) by exprod5mx23.postini.com ([64.18.4.10]) with SMTP; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19:55:58 PST Received: from sc8-sf-list1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.7] helo=projects.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-spam2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1CeJr3-0000UJ-Ua; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:05:09 -0800 Received: from sc8-sf-mx1-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.11] helo=sc8-sf-mx1.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1CeJqQ-0007SH-I5 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:04:30 -0800 Received: from io.link-m.de ([195.30.85.225] ident=daemon) by sc8-sf-mx1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.41) id 1CeJqP-0000hv-TL for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:04:30 -0800 Received: from nova (p54803174.dip.t-dialin.net [::ffff:84.128.49.116]) (AUTH: LOGIN [EMAIL PROTECTED], TLS: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-MD5) by io.link-m.de with esmtp; Tue, 14 Dec 2004 22:04:24 +0100 id 00017159.41BF5558.0000731D Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Julian Mehnle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Courier Users" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [courier-users] Courier relay mails of nonexistent account! 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Bagaimana di Indonesia? Salam, RM -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- December 13, 2004 Science, engineering Ph.D. numbers buck downturn Ed Frauenheim, Staff Writer, CNET News.com Is the United States really losing its technology edge? A rise in science and engineering Ph.D.s awarded might ease some worries. U.S. universities awarded 25,258 science and engineering doctorates from July 1, 2002, to June 30, 2003, according to data published this month by the National Science Foundation. That's a 2.8 percent rise from the 24,571 doctorates awarded the previous year, reversing a downward trend that began after a 1998 peak of 27,278. Production of science and engineering doctorates in the United States is seen by some as vital to the country's technological leadership, given the way fundamental research can translate into new products and even industries. The post-Internet-bubble drop in new doctorates has caused concern, as has the degree to which research projects these days are seen as too safe or less likely to lead to dramatic breakthroughs. A more recent worry centers on a decline in enrollment of international graduate students in the United States. Foreigners historically have earned a large percentage of technology-related doctorates. According to NSF data, foreign students with temporary visas comprised 55 percent of the 5,265 engineering Ph.D.s last year. Not everyone thinks the number of Ph.D.s awarded is critical to the country's global competitiveness. Some observers argue that the country already has plenty of doctorates and that a drop in foreign students isn't cause for alarm. "It's not clear to me that just looking at production of Ph.D.s is a good way of assessing innovation," Ron Hira, a public-policy professor at the Rochester Institute of Technology, said in an August interview with CNET News.com. Moreover, some view the currently large proportion of foreigners in U.S. graduate programs as a source of trouble--such as fewer openings for Americans. "(Universities) have preferred foreign students over American students," said John Miano, founder of The Programmers Guild activist group. The number of doctorates awarded from U.S. universities in all fields increased 1.9 percent last year, to 40,710, according to NSF. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> $4.98 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Q7_YsB/neXJAA/yQLSAA/BRUplB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> *************************************************************************** Berdikusi dg Santun & Elegan, dg Semangat Persahabatan. 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