This is not my experience at all. Any 'electronic' camera I have ever used flashes an 'E' and locks up if the film wont load. (MZ-30, MZ-S, mjuii, Ixus etc)
Also, I have noticed on the MZ-S that when the film is finished and rewinds you cannot fire the shutter again until you open and close the back. > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Alling [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 19 September 2002 16:29 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: Dry firing (was: Silicon film, etc) > > > The only modern camera that I've experience with that sensed > weather the film loaded or not is the zx-m. If film is > loaded and it isn't advancing the > shutter > still fires, the camera just doesn't count frames. If I > remember correctly > this > is consistent with many other older model cameras that I've > handled. Even > in this age > where camera manufactures try to idiot proof everything the > cost of doing > so would > be prohibitive. Most cameras will probably set the correct > aperture and > shutter speed > and auto focus regardless of correct film insertion. (Those > few that did > fail to fire > without film could be fooled by a cardboard insert, many > came with one). > > At 09:42 AM 9/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Jostein wrote: > > > > > However, the check for presence of film doesn't start > until the back > > lid is shut. > > > >Surely the (correctly loaded) presence of film is detected by the > >toothed wheels to the right of the film gate? If these turn > when the > >advance motor is working, film is loaded and the camera will > fire. If > >they don't, the film is misloaded or not present and it will not. > > > >I don't see how the insert will overcome this. It will be > much easier > >to deal with those units which use LEDs to monitor film movement. > > > >mike > >

