Hi Annsan,

>> I am not a religious chap. In fact although I was once a committed
>> Christian for a few years when I was 18, I am now an atheist.
>
>You appear to have been 18 for a long time :)
>starting at 18? or finishing at 18?  With me it was the latter :)

Me too.

[snip]
>It is late here too.  No offense taken - rather interesting stuff,actually.
>But I do think
>that we have long underestimated the minds of animals and are just recently
>beginning
>to give them a bit more respect.

I take all your points on board (and there were plenty of them ;-) but I 
still come back to this business about humans and animals. Someone 
(privately) mentioned that when I say it's basically 'humans and the 
rest', that dogs probably think it's 'dogs and the rest' - but I 
disagree. Humans are the only beings that have the capacity to reason. 
Yes, I know about chimps and dolphins and the rest - don't get me wrong, 
I'm not saying they aren't intelligent - just they lack this very human 
trait. Without now wanting to get into a definition of 'reason', let's 
just say that this is what I believe, and in no way reflects on what may 
or may not actually be!

I, too, have seen a dog's face with the most amazing expressions on it, 
and have been totally overwhelmed. I can understand where anyone who 
calls such a picture a 'portrait' is coming from. Personally, I do not. 
That's just my own personal choice and I have based it on my life 
experiences (so far). BUT judging from how my religious views have swung 
so violently opposite in the past, I'm obviously open to change ;-)

Interesting subject, thanks Annsan.

Cheers,

Cotty

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