I can't provide a sophisticated answer to your questions, just ones based on my own observations.
The billion-color (i.e. wide gamut) monitor is going to be Adobe RGB, not sRGB. A wide-gamut (Adobe RGB) monitor will display, for example, different shades of red that an sRGB monitor will show as being the same. The difference can be striking. I can't tell you anything about Winblows, except that Exploder displays sRGB no matter what the original gamut is. Safari and (I think) Firefox and Chrome are "color space aware." Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Mark C <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks, Igor, your comments are useful as always. > > I was not aware of the issue with wide gamut monitors.I did notice that > several models allow emulation of difference color spaces though - so that > explains the purpose of that feature. > > I'll spend some time on the website that you mention and try to get a better > understanding of the background. The more I think about the specs I'm > looking at, the less sense some of them make. > > For instance - > > If my eyes can only distinguish about 10 million colors (per Wikipedia), > what advantage is there in going with a 1 billion color monitor? (I'm seeing > several "1.04 billion color" monitors advertised.) > > Which would display more color variation - a 1 billion color sRGB monitor or > a 16.7 million color adobe RGB / wide gamut monitor? I'm guessing the wide > gamut monitor with look like it had more colors even if it technically did > not. > > How well does the windows desktop scale to a smaller 4k desktop - will the > icons be so tiny it will be a pita to use? > > I guess I need a better understanding of the fundamentals before knowing > what I need to get. Higher resolution has obvious advantages, but I'm a > little unclear what I need regarding colors. > > Mark > > > On 4/25/2016 12:55 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote: >> >> >> >> Mark, >> >> Here are a few followup thoughts: >> >> Monitors that support (99% or 100%) of Adobe RGB are called "wide-gamut". >> (You probably figured that out, I am just mentioning it as that helps if >> you are searching for reviews of different models.) While they are great, >> there is a caveat with them: some programs do not support them, assuming >> that you have just SRGB. As a result, the screen output from those programs >> is inherently inaccurate. >> (I am finally suspecting that Epson printer "preview" program that comes >> with the printer's drivers actually suffers from that.) >> Many wide-gamut monitors support switching to SRGB mode, but I am not sure >> if all do, and, the convenience of that may vary. >> >> >> Besides the "regular suspects" (Dell, NEC, ASUS), - I see some good >> references about some EIZO ColorEdge monitors. The models reviews that I've >> seen are referring to the models that are out of production (e.g. EIZO >> ColorEdge CX240 for the more "consumer" version, CG246 for the "pro" >> version), but I would assume some current models might be worth looking at. >> >> >> Also, Mark Stringer mentioned ASUS PA248Q, and the last reference I had >> mentions ASUS PA249Q. I haven't looked at all the details, but at least the >> PA248Q is not "wide-gamut" monitor (i.e. doesn't cover Adobe RGB), unlike >> PA249Q. >> You can read more here: >> http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/asus_pa248q.htm >> >> Overall, this website (TFT central) is a very helpful resource for monitor >> information. >> Besides other things, - you can read some reviews there: >> http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews.htm >> At least, you can see what is and is not important for you from those. >> >> >> Larry wrote a very important point that I was going to but forgot: >> check that you video card supports the resolution and the number of the >> monitors you are planning to have. >> Also, note that at least some of the cheaper Korean 4K monitors do not >> support lower resolutions. I.e. you cannot drive them at a lower resolution >> the way you could with some standard or HD resolution monitors. >> >> And finally, just in case, - keep in mind that the diagonal size (24", >> etc.) - works differently between 3:4 (SD), 9:16 (or 10:16) (HD) and 21:9 >> (4K) monitors, in the sense, that 24" HD may look smaller than 24" SD. >> I assume, with 4K or 5K, the difference is even more pronounced. >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> Igor >> >> PS. Mark S.: my condolences for your family loss. >> At least it brought a relief from suffering. >> >> >> On Sun, 24 Apr 2016, Igor PDML-StR wrote: >> >>> >>> Mark, >>> >>> I agree with Bruce and Rick, let me add some other thoughts. >>> I've had Dell U2410 for some 5 years, and I've been happy with it. >>> The only thing I could've done differently is that I should've had >>> something in 27". (But they were too expensive at that point.) >>> >>> Indeed, it is hard(er) to find today wide-gamut (Adobe RGB) 24" monitors >>> today. I am not seeing any from Dell. It has some in 25" and 27": >>> >>> https://pcmonitors.info/dell/dell-up2516d-and-up2716d-wide-gamut-wqhd-monitors/ >>> >>> This discussion mentions some NEC and 24" ASUS monitor. I don't know >>> anything about those beyond what's written there: >>> http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3925252 >>> >>> I find wide-gamut very useful if you are going to print your photos, as >>> Epson printer can go beyond SRGB. >>> >>> Some monitors are hard to calibrate, and some -- are easy. You can google >>> for reviews. Sorry, I haven't looked in detail at the recent monitors. >>> >>> I am not completely sold on 4k or 5k monitors yet. Maybe... >>> The wide format, however, can be handy for working on many windows at >>> once. >>> >>> Sorry, I don't remember all the good parameters at the moment. But if >>> you look at Dell's U2410 parameters, - that can you give a good guide line >>> as for what is good while not necessarily overly luxurious. >>> >>> HTH, >>> >>> Igor >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:33 PM, Mark C wrote: >>> >>>> I'm thinking about upgrading my current monitor. What specs should I be >>>> looking at? >>>> >>>> I'm considering - >>>> >>>> IPS panel technology >>>> >>>> Minimum 1900 x 1080 / 1900 x 1200 preferred. I am only looking for a 24 >>>> inch >>>> monitor given to be part of a two monitor system, so I doubt I will be >>>> able >>>> to get much greater resolution without going larger. >>>> >>>> Anti glare Screen >>>> >>>> Digital input (DVI or HDMI) (should be a given but I have run into a few >>>> with VGA only.) >>>> >>>> I don't know what to make of these stats: >>>> >>>> Contrast ratio. When I calibrate my monitors the iDisplay utility >>>> reports a >>>> contrast ration of about 900:1 for the better monitor I'm using and >>>> about >>>> 850:1 for the older TN monitor. When shopping I see quoted figures from >>>> 1000:1 to 2,000,000:1 on monitors that don't seem much different in >>>> price or >>>> class. Not sure what to make of this spec. >>>> >>>> Percent of gamut. Percent of what gamut? sRGB? More is better? >>>> >>>> Brightness in terms of CD/CM2. Is more better? Ive read that a >>>> calibrated >>>> monitor should be about 122 CD/CM2. Everything I have looked at way >>>> exceeds >>>> that. In a couple cases users have commented that the monitor is too >>>> bright >>>> and they can't dim it enough to accurately calibrate it. But that could >>>> be a >>>> problem with the controls on that specific model. Any suggested target >>>> level? >>>> >>>> That's all I'm looking at - anything I should consider but am oblivious >>>> to? >>>> Any recommendations or warnings about brands? >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> >>>> Mark >>> >>> >> > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
