Yes, that's exactly what I said Paul. Good argument, BTW.
LOL! Cheers, frank On November 15, 2015 8:00:31 PM EST, Paul Stenquist <[email protected]> wrote: >Okay, Hitler was a good guy. . Nighty, night, Frank. > >Paul via phone > >> On Nov 15, 2015, at 7:18 PM, knarf <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Germany was not intent on world domination. Hitler wanted a >"Grossdeutschland", a sort of Super Germany which would include all the >ethnic Germans in Europe, plus "Lebensraum" - living space, essentially >buffer states much like the USSRs East European satellite states post >WWII. He wanted to defeat Russia, more to eradicate communism that >actually take over Russia. He'd have never fought the Battle of Britain >had Britain not opposed Germany's eastern expansion. >> >> This was not world domination. He wanted Eastern Europe. >> >> Japan wanted to be treated as an equal by Britain and the US. That >included the ability to deal with "it's part of the world" (Manchuria, >China, the Pacific islands) the same way the US treated the Americas >and Britain treated their Empire. >> >> Again, domination of their part of the world, not world domination. >> >> I'm rather taken aback that you would say that taking these rather >orthodox historical views is anything like Holocaust denial. >> >> As far as ISIS, I'm not saying they shouldn't be stopped and I'm not >saying they aren't evil. What I'm saying is that what we're doing now >will guarantee a continuation of similar attacks to what we saw on >Friday - or worse. >> >> Cheers, >> >> frank >> >>> On November 15, 2015 6:17:43 PM EST, John <[email protected]> >wrote: >>> Their stated objective is to restore the Caliphate to their ideal of >>> its >>> maximum extent in the 7th & 8th centuries. >>> >>> That includes all of the Iberian Peninsula,; Septimania; Aquitaine, >>> Midi-Pyrenees & Poitou-Charentes - as far north as Poitiers; the >>> Balkans >>> to the Gates of Vienna; all of northern Africa including Kenya, >>> Tanzania, Mozambique, South Sudan, Chad, Central African Republic, >>> Cameroon, Nigeria, Niger, Mali, Mauritania and the various states >along >>> the Gulf of Guinea & western Africa; Pakistan, Afghanistan & most of >>> India & Sri Lanka; Malaysia, Indonesia and the Philippines. >>> >>> If that's not "World Domination", it's still close enough for >>> government >>> work. >>> >>> Whether or not they can actually accomplish all that is >questionable, >>> but they certainly have no qualms about murdering innocent civilians >>> anywhere in order to advance those claims. And they have no qualms >>> about >>> killing all the Jews, whether in Israel or otherwise. >>> >>> There's plenty of room for debate on the best way fight Islamic >>> Extremism without driving moderate Muslims into the arms of >ISIS/ISIL. >>> There's a difference between Islam and Islamic Extremism. But, I'm >>> afraid that as things stand right now, Muslims who are not Islamic >>> Extremists are not yet doing enough to combat the extremists hiding >in >>> their midst. >>> >>> Recognizing that ISIS/ISIL are a threat and are intent on conquest, >>> spreading their interpretation of religion by the sword & the gun is >>> not >>> anti-Islamic fervor. >>> >>> And the claim that Germany and Japan were not seeking "World >>> Domination" >>> in WWII is just willfully ignorant. It's right up there with >Holocaust >>> Denial. >>> >>> >>>> On 11/15/2015 1:02 PM, knarf wrote: >>>> ISIS or ISIL or whatever they're called have no plans to "dominate >>>> the world". At least no realistic plans that need be taken >>>> seriously. >>>> >>>> It's unlikely they want to expand the Caliphate outside the Middle >>>> East and possibly North Africa. >>>> >>>> That map of their "5 year plan" that circulated several months ago >>>> in right-wing media outlets and social media is very likely a fraud >>>> or someone's pipe dream. I wouldn't be suprised if it were >concocted >>>> to fan the flames of anti-islamic fervor, much like the Articles of >>>> the Elders of Zion in the late 19th century. >>>> >>>> "World Domination" is attributed to enemies all the time - it >>>> happened to Germany and Japan in WWII and neither had such designs. >>>> But it's a great propaganda tool to whip up local sentiment. >>>> >>>> Anyway, the point of this, and my last post, isn't to point fingers >>>> or blame anyone. Look, ISIS is evil. Full stop. They're killing way >>>> more people in Syria and Iraq than the Coalition or the Iraq >>>> military. >>>> >>>> But the West can expect more violent bloodshed at ISIS' hands in >the >>>> future. And when ISIS goes away it'll be someone else blowing up >>>> people. We should do our best to stop it. Because it's going to >>>> happen, again and again. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> frank >> >> -- >> >> "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson >> >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above >and follow the directions. -- "Sharpness is a bourgeois concept." -- Henri Cartier-Bresson Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. 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