On Feb 27, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: > > On Feb 27, 2011, at 6:53 PM, John Sessoms wrote: > >> From: Paul Stenquist >>> I do find it interesting that a lot of teachers buy Hondas and Toyota >>> that are produced in right to work states by non-union workers. >>> There's a bit of "do as I say, not as I do" in that kind of >>> reasoning. >>> >> >> Should we not then on the same basis question the integrity of anyone >> represented by a union who buys from the "Big Three"? > > Of course not, the non-union workers don't march and sing Solidarity Forever. >> >> The "Big Three" not only have their own factories in those "right to work" >> states, but in the Maquiladora as well. And they've been closing their >> unionized factories, moving the work to their non-union locations. > > All their U.S. plants are unionized, it's part of the agreement with the UAW.
I misread your post here, John. I though you were asking about a non-union worker buying from the Detroit Three. It only makes sense that union workers would support the union represented workers of the Detroit automakers. That was my point. It used to be a given: if you were a union member, you shopped at union stores and bought union products. Now, I find that somewhat foolish, but the fervor of the marchers in Wisconsin and elsewhere leads me to believe that they would want to support their union brothers and sister. But, as I said, when it comes to purchasing automobiles, they frequently don't. >> >> Plus, it may have something to do with Hondas and Toyotas only being >> manufactured in "right to work" states. How many factories do Honda, Toyota >> and BMW have in non- "right to work" states? If you want a Honda or a >> Toyota, you buy a Honda or Toyota. > > I'd have to check to be absolutely certain, but I believe all of their U.S. > plants are in right to work states. In any case the union contract requires > that the Detroit three hire a specified number of union workers, regardless > of where the cars are built. Of course, they're all employed in the U.S., but > they are meant to counter activity at non-U.S. plants. However, because the > union has been cooperating, the automakers are giving them perks in return. > Ford announced last August that it would actually hire more union workers > than the contract required. Many of these are workers who were previously > layed off. >> >> Where the factory is located doesn't enter in to the equation any more than >> it does when you buy a vehicle from GM. > > It does if you're a staunch union supporter. >> >> Before you cast aspersions at other peoples choices, refuse to buy any >> vehicle from any manufacturer who closes a unionized plant so they could >> manufacturing of their vehicles in a non-unionized plant. >> >> > I'm certainly not required to do anything of the sort. And i will express my > opinions regardless. It's unfortunate that you always have to turn polite > debates into something personal at some point. > I've used up more than my fair share of bandwidth on this discussion. II've had my say and will now return to my regularly scheduled programming. > Paul >> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3470 - Release Date: 02/26/11 >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
