Well said, Bob. Nice pick of examples too. Inescapable anthropocentrism, it seems. :-)
Jostein 2007/7/12, Bob W <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I wouldn't describe it as people vs. landscape - they don't exclude > each other, it is, as you say, about longevity and history. There are > also all types of landscape photography - it's not just Ansel. For > instance, one of my favourite photo books is Magnum Landscape, which > is about the relationship between people and landscapes (Ansel's are > about land without people usually - pristine in some way). I also like > Fay Godwin's very simple, restrained & subtle landscapes, as well as > those by Jem Southam which are about the passage of time - all of > these are so different from each other and from others, such as Ernst > Haas's Creation, that the term landscape starts to sound almost > uselessly broad. Many of these will outlive any number of human > interest photographs, but I do still think that on average human > interest wins the prize. > > -- > Bob > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of AlunFoto > > Sent: 11 July 2007 09:51 > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: RE: Who's BLOGGING? > > > > I remember the "deleteme"-story. That was hilarious. IIRC, there was > a > > corresponding mockery (at about the same time) of online image > critics > > at theonlinephotographer.com too, where some notably famous photos > > were picked apart, nit by nit. > > > > WRT: People vs. landscape I think Bob and Frank's point about human > > interest has a dimension of history to it as well. People shots > > becomes time capsules much faster than do landscape shots. > > > > In my opinion, pure (pristine?) landscape shots only achieve that > > status after abrupt and large-scale natural events like volcano > > eruptions, landslides, etc. > > > > For landscape changed by human presence, however, I think the point > of > > human interest applies just as well as for people shots. Since > > photography began, every generation has moulded the landscape in > their > > own way. The cultural landscape has changed, roads, power pylons, > > suburbs (eg. Marnies project), forest management, etc. etc. > > > > Jostein > > > > > > 2007/7/11, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > frank theriault wrote: > > > > > > >On 7/10/07, Mark Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >> Bob W wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >Crimes Against Fashion is a superb photo. Come back in > > a few years > > > >> >and that's the only one anyone will be interested in. > > that's not to > > > >> >knock the rest, but human interest wins every time. > > > >> > > > >> Thanks Bob. That's a great compliment coming from you. > > > > > > > >I agree with Bob. That's a hell of a photo. I also agree with > him > > > >WRT interest in people photos. I know (and a landscape > > photographer > > > >such as yourself may find this blasphemous) that I find 60 year > old > > > >HCB photos a heck of a lot more compelling than 60 year old Ansel > > > >Adams photos of Yosemite (or wherever). > > > > > > > >The rocks and mountains are still there (although I know in some > > > >places they're fast disappearing, or having condos perches upon > > > >themj), but the people and the situations they were in are gone > > > >forever, captured only for that split second on film (or now, > > > >sensors). > > > > > > > >That's what I find compelling about photos of humanity. > > > > > > I suppose it depends on your point of view. I prefer Ansel because > I > > > see people every day but rarely glimpse, Denali, for example :) > > > I expect most landscape (and abstract and still-life, etc, etc.) > > > aficionados feel roughly the same way but there's no doubting the > > > "people photo" enthusiasts are in the majority. (Of course Michael > > > Jackson outsells Mozart, so what does the "majority" know?) > > > > > > My favorite photos aren't about content at all: Light, > > shadow, shape, > > > form is what I look for. Possibly my all-time favorite photos are > > > Edward Weston's peppers. > > > > > > Interestingly, my favorite HCB photos are the ones in which > > the human > > > form is a small part of the image, like "Mario's Bike", of > > "deleteme" > > > fame (http://www.flickr.com/photos/andrerabelo/70458366) > > > > > > One thing I strongly dislike is photographs that don't > > stand on their > > > own; that require backstory, explanation or other "metadata": > > > Information beyond what's shown in the frame. I found quite a bit > of > > > that at the Pulitzer Prize exhibit (though not as much as I > > expected, > > > given that it *is* news photography). > > > > > > > > > -- > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > PDML@pdml.net > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > > > -- > > http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ > > http://alunfoto.blogspot.com > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > PDML@pdml.net > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
