A flame war isn't what I wanted when I asked the question. (Please note the intentions were pure. :)
Actually, the change is technology is giving me quite a few questions. On the one hand, going digital appears to be inevitable at some point. On the other, I like slides and digital appears to have no equivalent that is affordable (it's easier to pay X + y spread over a long period than X in one shot.) Plus, Pentax doen't have any digital bodies I feel comfortable with right now (I know that's subjective) and I can't see dumping all the glass I have to switch brands. Cheers, Gautam On 3/8/06, Paul Stenquist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This version of the thread -- an aperture ring flame war -- is quite > amusing. > Paul > > > On Mar 8, 2006, at 5:09 AM, Adam Maas wrote: > > > John Forbes wrote: > > > >> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:15:22 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> John Forbes wrote: > >>> > >>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 01:14:50 -0000, Adam Maas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> John Forbes wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Wed, 08 Mar 2006 00:07:21 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis > >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, John Forbes wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 14:57:31 -0000, Kostas Kavoussanakis > >>>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Vic MacBournie wrote: > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> In my opinion, your best bet in the istd if you want to > >>>>>>>>>> duplicate the quality of the MZs. It is not up to MZ-S > >>>>>>>>>> standards but it's not too far behind. I have both and find > >>>>>>>>>> the build quality comparable... > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> I forgot: the interface is also different; on the -S you set > >>>>>>>>> the aperture from the lens, on the -D (all of them) this is > >>>>>>>>> only possible in Manual mode (which reverts to HyperManual). > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> This is rather misleading. You set the aperture on the camera > >>>>>>>> body, unless the lens is a K or M lens, in which case you set > >>>>>>>> it on the lens, with the body set to manual mode. There > >>>>>>>> have been endless fruitless discussions on the merits of > >>>>>>>> setting the aperture on the body versus setting it on the > >>>>>>>> lens, but even the die-hards get used quite quickly to doing > >>>>>>>> it on the body. The only people for whom this is an still > >>>>>>>> issue is people who are still using film, and have no idea > >>>>>>>> what they are missing. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My description was very accurate; find a hole. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Your description is a sieve. > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> What you wrote is inaccurate. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> You're either a comedian or a politician in the mould of Blair. > >>>>>> See below. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On the -Digis you can set the aperture on the lens provided > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> it has a ring (so this is not limited to M/Ks). > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> No, Kostas, you can't. When off the A setting, the camera will > >>>>>> take the picture at full aperture, whatever you set the lens > >>>>>> at (except in Manual mode). > >>>>>> Now, read that again, and write it out fifty times. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I own and use > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> exclusively anymore two film cameras where you can set the > >>>>>>> aperture on the body; the MZ-50 in particular is *very* > >>>>>>> cumbersome from the lens, but I actually like its interface. > >>>>>>> I thus did not make an argument as to better, I said > >>>>>>> different. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I suggest you confine yourself to responding to questions you > >>>>>> know something about. Limiting, I know, but better for your > >>>>>> credibility in the long run. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> John > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I'm sorry, but Kostas is right. Your explanation indicated that > >>>>> you could only change aperture with the ring with K/M lenses, > >>>>> not only in Manual (the latter is correct for all but DA and FA > >>>>> J lenses). > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Please re-read what I said, so that you understand it, and > >>>> re-phrase what you said, so that I understand it. > >>>> > >>>> Kostas is making the mistake of thinking that the DSLRs work like > >>>> certain film cameras that he knows. They don't. > >>>> > >>>> John > >>>> > >>> No, he's not. You're misunderstanding him or ignoring what he was > >>> saying. He said it was possible to use the Aperture ring only in > >>> Manual, and reverted to HyperManual. Which is correct for the D and > >>> it's descendants (he does miss that you can meter via the DoF > >>> preview and manually set shutter as well). > >>> > >>> You said, and I quote: > >>> > >>> "You set the aperture on the camera body, unless the lens is a K or > >>> M lens, in which case you set it on the lens, with the body set > >>> to manual mode." > >>> > >>> Which is incorrect for any lens other than a DA or D-FA lens, as any > >>> lens with an aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the > >>> aperture ring if you so choose(No reason to if it's not a K/M or > >>> M42 lens, but you can). > >>> > >>> His description is more accurate for K mount lenses, as the Camera > >>> will ignore the aperture ring setting in modes other than Manual > >>> (M42 lenses, due to the lack of aperture coupling, will also work > >>> correctly in Av, and will do Av in Tv and P modes). > >> > >> > >> You are incorrect. Any lens with an aperture ring, in any mode other > >> than manual, has to be used on A (assuming it has an A). If you set > >> it to another setting, the shutter will fire (if allowed in the > >> settings), but the LENS WILL NOT STOP DOWN. > >> > >> Read the bit in capitals. Then read it again. I am not going to > >> repeat it. > >> > >> John > >> > >> > > > > Umm, perhaps you should read what I said, since you obviously didn't. > > Which is what you are now repeating. Top quote "any lens with an > > aperture ring can be used in Manual mode with the aperture ring". > > MANUAL MODE. NOT ANY OTHER MODE. Which is exactly what Kostas and I > > have said. > > > > -Adam > > > >
