On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 15:22, Shel Belinkoff wrote:
> I wasn't going to comment on the photos, but since a discussion of sorts
> has opened up around them maybe I can add a thought or two.  One of the
> biggest problems I see when using long lenses is that the photographer
> loses contact - or never even establishes contact - with the people s/he's
> photographing.  I don't mean that you have to become intimate with the
> subjects, although getting close enough to establish some intimacy, even
> for only a portion of a moment, can only improve one's photographs.  By
> being physically closer the photographer is better able to "feel" the
> scene, to see small details that may enhance a photograph, and to get a
> greater sense of what's taking place between subjects (if there's more than
> one in a scene) or the subject and his/her environment.

Yes but don't you think that when people feel the presence of a
photographer they immediately change the way they behave?

> Being a sniper (I like that term) distances the photographer to the extent
> that there's nothing personal about the photos, and, for the most part,
> places the photographer so far out of the photographic environment that
> there's often more of a voyeuristic feel or sense to the photos than
> anything really meaningful.  If you're trying to tell a story with your
> camera, which is what I think good photography - certainly good "people"
> and portrait photography - is all about, you've got to be close enough to
> understand the story yourself, and maybe even close enough that your
> subjects can share that story with you.
> 
> What Capa said years ago holds true today: "If your photos aren't good
> enough, you're not close enough."
> 
> Shel 
> 
> 
> > [Original Message]
> > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <pentax-discuss@pdml.net>
> > Date: 6/27/2005 6:23:56 AM
> > Subject: Long lenses-- was Street Dancers 
> >
> > In a message dated 6/27/2005 7:15:16 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > On 6/26/05, David Volkert  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I don't normally do street  photography (at least I think this can be
> > > considered street photography  but the lens is a bit on the large side
> > > and it was an event) but the  opportunity presented itself today.
> > > 
> > >  http://flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/21768115/
> > > *Ist D, Sigma 135-400mm  @ 135mm, F/9.5, and 1/500th
> >  
> > Yesterday in my comments about the Porto shots, I mentioned that  using a 
> > longer lens tends to get us into a sniper mood when we take to the 
> streets.  
> >  
> > Now, I am definitely not an expert in Street Photography, and lots of
> what  
> > passes for that "genre" I do not get, but before you dismiss the concept,
> maybe 
> >  you should look at the problems of using a long lens on the streets have 
> > caused  in this "nearly there" shot.
> >  
> > First of all, the horizon is tilted more than 2 degrees.  When working 
> with 
> > a long lens, it is hard to make framing judgements, as the very act of  
> > holding the glass steady is a triumph.  
> >  
> > The next problem I see is that relying on the autofocus on the two
> dancers  
> > has lost the focus on the foreground boy, (an important element, IMHO)
> and the  
> > compression brings the folks walking in the near background right up to
> the  
> > dancers.  
> >  
> > In the case of the smiling woman, this isn't too much of a problem, but
> the  
> > tall guy in the black shirt, the guy with his back to us, and the woman
> on the 
> >  right verge become distracting elements (Ditto, the red fringe in right  
> > frame.)  These elements would be no problem at all if we were shooting 
> with, say 
> > a 50mm from lots closer. 
> >  
> > Long lenses have their place, certainly they do.  Football games, air 
> shows, 
> > birding,  Olympics, auto racing, volcano eruptions, good looking 
> bikinied 
> > women with big burley boyfriends;  these are all places I would  use a
> lens 
> > longer than 90 mm.  
> >
> >
> > Regards,  
> > Sonny
> > http://www.sonc.com
> > Natchitoches, Louisiana
> > Oldest continuous  settlement in La Louisiane
> > galit, libert, crawfish
> >  
> 
> 
> 

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