[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Any thoughts on the merits of the 135 f2.5 versus the faster 85
> and more compact 135 f3.5?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Practically, 135mm is significantly longer than 85mm. If you
> have one lens for portrait only, I'd say 85mm is more useful. I
> had the SMC-M 135/3.5 which was very sharp but with dull colour
> reproduction.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> I shot a series of portraits over the weekend whilst at a lunch
> time get- together with friends using the SMC-P135f2.5 wide
> open. I could not have obtained the perspective I did nor filled
> the frame with an 85mm lens. [snip] So all I am saying is that
> none is better, it all depends upon the instance in which you
> find you are shooting, when you have plenty of space around a
> subject and you are looking for a heads-and -shoulders shot the
> 85mm is great otherwise....

I think that both the 85mm and 135mm focal lengths (as well as many others) 
can be useful for portraits, depending on the situation.

I personally like 85mm a lot for head and shoulder portraits of adults, 
especially if they're more-or-less posed (i.e., more-or-less formal), and/or 
if getting in fairly close to the subject is not a problem.  I also like 85mm 
a lot for head-and-upper-torso shots from a little further away, or for 
portraits of a couple.  However, for less obtrusive, more candid shots, I 
find a longer focal length such as 135mm to be more useful.  However, one 
needs a bit of working space for a 135mm lens, so (if indoors) the room has 
to be a bit larger than is needed for a shorter lens.  It all depends...

For 85mm lenses, I have found each of the Pentax lenses I've tried to be 
entirely adequate.  The A* 85/1.4, the FA* 85/1.4, the K 85/1.8, and the SMCT 
85/1.8 are all superb (although the two f/1.4's are different from each other 
and also different from the pair of f/1.8's).  Two samples of the M 85/2 
(despite a few negative comments expressed here on the PDML) seemed pretty 
decent, and the ST 85/1.9 also seemed pretty good (although the sample I 
tried was just a bit soft for my own tastes).

For 135mm lenses, I have found the A* 135/1.8 and the K (SMCP) 135/2.5 to 
both be very good (and I have often recommended the K 135/2.5 as  being "the 
poor man's 135/1.8").  [However, do not confuse the very strong K 135/2.5 (no 
built-in hood, with 58mm filter threads) with the ubiquitous but mediocre 
"Takumar Bayonette" 135/2.5 (built-in hood, with 52mm threads, which makes it 
probably only an f/2.8 lens anyway).]  Also, I have recently had a chance to 
try both the K and the M 135/3.5's, and my first impression is that the K 
might be the better 135/3.5.

Most recently, while shooting a few rolls with a newborn baby (on its very 
first birthday, counting in a proper zero-based fashion), I found that the A 
100/2.8 Macro lens worked really well as a portrait lens.  That particular 
focal length, as well as the close-focusing ability of a macro lens, combined 
to make for some really nice newborn portraits (at least in my opinion - 
<g>), both for closeups of the baby as well as shots of parents and relatives 
holding the infant.  The bokeh with this lens also seemed quite nice.  (And 
one layer of a white handkerchief tied over the output window of an AF280T 
flash provided just enough softening, too.)

Well, that's enough blabbering for now...

Fred
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