Hi Oscar and Fatai, I think the special case would be determined if the drafts have implementations that have been shipped/deployed in production networks (which is above lab trials) prior to the standardization.
So any notes to the WG with implementations in production networks will justify the early IANA allocation. Regards, Young From: Pce [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of OSCAR GONZALEZ DE DIOS Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 6:50 AM To: Fatai Zhang; [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Pce] Request for early allocation of code points for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext & status of draft Hi Fatai, It is crystal clear that when the document becomes an RFC, IANA will assign the correct number. In my humble opinion, requesting for the early allocation is not "a special case", but the normal procedure that should be followed (obviously, it is not the traditional way to do things), approved by IANA, so early implementations of stable documents have a code point that has no clashes. Furthermore, early allocated code points are maintained in the IANA registry. Traditional way of adding the "suggested value" in the IANA section in the draft has led to many problems. We even have a very recent case where a value used in a draft with early implementations has forced a value in an RFC with less implementations to change. Summing up, I see absolutely no reason not to ask for the early allocation, in this particular draft, and in all stable drafts in the working group. I the particular case of this drafts, the suggested values of the new objects are the same ones are values used in existing RFCs, complicating the interoperability. In any case, requesting the early allocation is a decision to be taken by the authors of the draft. However, I would like to know also the opinions of the chairs on wether the early allocation procedure is the "normal procedure" or the "special case" for stable working group documents. Best Regards, Óscar De: Fatai Zhang <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Fecha: viernes, 5 de septiembre de 2014 07:59 Para: Oscar Gonzalez de Dios <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> CC: "[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Asunto: RE: [Pce] Request for early allocation of code points for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext & status of draft Hi Oscar, I don't think we need to ask early allocation of code points, which is for the special case (ie., early allocation is not the normal procedure) and the right values will be allocated during RFC publication stage (ie., the clash will disappear) . The authors of this draft including me are taking care of this draft and we always welcome any review comments from the WG. Note that the WG chairs told in the previous meeting that they would like to move forward [draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions<http://tools.ietf.org/wg/pce/draft-ietf-pce-gmpls-pcep-extensions/>] first, and then move forward this draft. Any further comments are apprecicated. Best Regards Fatai From: Pce [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of OSCAR GONZALEZ DE DIOS Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 6:00 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [Pce] Request for early allocation of code points for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext & status of draft Dear authors of draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext, The draft draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext, in its version 8 right now, introduces a set of new PCEP objects, which require object-class values. Current recommended values clash with already allocated values. As suggested in the last IETF meeting in Toronto, the use of the early allocation procedure is recommended to handle the code points (when the draft is stable). Would it be possible that authors of the draft ask for early allocation of code points for draft-ietf-pce-inter-layer-ext ? On the other hand, I see that the draft has been stable for a while and even has expired. Who is taking care of the updates of the draft? Is the draft going to last call in the near future? Are you expecting a review? Best Regards, Óscar ________________________________ Este mensaje y sus adjuntos se dirigen exclusivamente a su destinatario, puede contener información privilegiada o confidencial y es para uso exclusivo de la persona o entidad de destino. Si no es usted. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de que la lectura, utilización, divulgación y/o copia sin autorización puede estar prohibida en virtud de la legislación vigente. 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