Hi J-P,

 

Thanks a lot for spending time for your review. We can accommodate all your
comments in revision. We will shortly get back with you and Adrian. Please
see in-line for my response. 

 

Best Regards,

Young

 

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Subject: [Pce] Finally: WG Chair review on GCO

Hi,

Here is my WG chair review, Adrian has done his part.

First I must say that I was first inclined to propose to follow the
experimental track. That being said, you managed to clearly explain that GCO
was applicable to a subset of cases and the PCC would be an NMS as opposed
to a set of LSRs, which were my main concerns. So I think that we are fine
following the standard track.



YOUNG>> Thank you. 


Abstract
S/invisaged/envisaged (appears in several places)
S/ gloablly/globally



YOUNG>> We will correct them. 


Introduction

* " As new LSPs are added or removed from the network over time, the
   global network resources become fragmented and the existing placement
   of LSPs within network no longer provides optimal use of the
   available capacity.  A global concurrent path computation is able to
   simultaneously consider the entire topology of the network and the
   complete set of existing LSPs and their respective constraints, and
   look to re-optimize the entire network to satisfy all constraints for
   all LSPs.  Alternatively, the application may consider a subset of
   the LSPs and/or a subset of the network topology.
"

JP> I would suggest to also add: "Note that other preemption can also help
reducing the fragmentation issues".

 

YOUNG>> We will add. 



* JP> I remembers having made comments to warn the reader on the
applicability of GCO to environments with a high degree od dynamicity and
smal LSP bw/link speed ratios. TO that end, you added:

   "While GCO is applicable to any simultaneous request for multiple LSPs
   (for example, a request for end-to-end protection), it is not
   invisaged that global concurrent reoptimization would be applied in a
   network (such as an MPLS-TE network) that contains a very large
   number of very low bandwidth or zero bandwidth LSPs since the large
   scope of the problem and the small benefit of concurrent
   reoptimization relative to single LSP reoptimization is unlikely to
   make the process worthwhile.  Further, applying global concurrent
   reoptimization in a network with a high rate of change of LSPs
   (churn) is not advised because of the likelihood that LSPs would
   change before they could be gloablly reoptimized.  Global
   reoptimization is more applicable to stable networks such as
   transport networks or those with long-term TE LSP tunnels."

And

" However, the key point remains: computing the reoptimized
   path of one LSP at a time without giving any consideration to the
   other LSPs in the network could result in sub-optimal use of network
   resources.  This may be far more visible in an optical network with a
   low ratio of potential LSPs per link, and far less visible in packet
   networks with micro-flow LSPs."


Which is good !

JP> I would still want to suggest some NORMATIVE language here, thus
replacing "it is not envisaged" by "it is NOT RECOMMEMDED" and "Further,
applying global concurrent reoptimization in a network with a high rate of
change of LSPs   (churn) is not advised" by "Further, applying global
concurrent reoptimization in a network with a high rate of change of LSPs
(churn) is NOT RECOMMENDED"

 

YOUNG>> Thanks! It will further clarify the application of GCO. We will add
this. 



* "As the PCE has the potential to provide solutions in all path
   computation solutions in a variety of environments and is a candidate
   for performing path computations in support of GCO."

JP> Word missing in this sentence above ?

 

YOUNG>> You're right. It should've read: "As the PCE has the potential to
provide solutions in all path
   computation solutions in a variety of environments, PCE is a candidate
   for performing path computations in support of GCO." 

 

YOUNG>> But it may not add much to the draft; I will delete this sentence. 



Terminology

* " GCO: Global Concurrent Optimization: A concurrent path computation
   application where a set of TE paths are computed concurrently in
   order to efficiently utilize network resources."

JP> May I suggest " GCO: Global Concurrent Optimization: A concurrent path
computation
   application where a set of TE paths are computed concurrently in
   order to optimize network resources."



YOUNG>> That's fine with me. Thanks. 


Section 3

* Greenfield operation: well, it never stays a greenfield for a long time
... As failure arise, TE LSPs get rerouted and it is no longer a greenfield.


 

YOUNG>> You're right. In some optical networks, however, it could stay
longer than IP/MPLS networks. So we included this operation. 


* You wrote "GCO could prevent race condition (i.e.,
   competing for the same resource from different head-end LSRs) that
   may be associated with a distributed computation. "
JP> I would soften this since such issue could easily be solved with
distributed jittering.

 

YOUNG>> I will modify something like: "Distributed jittering is a technique
that could prevent race condition (i.e., competing for the same resource
from different head-end LSRs) with a distributed computation. GCO provides
an alternative way that could prevent race condition. 


* "In other words, it may prove to be impossible
   to perform a direct migration from the old LSPs to the new optimal
   LSPs without disrupting traffic because there are insufficient
   network resources to support both sets of LSPs when make-before-break
   is used. "
JP> This is true if you keep the bw of existing TE LSP unchanged but you
could certainly zeroed the TE LSPs before reoptimization to avoid
inter-lock. Could you just briefly mention it?

 

YOUNG>> Our assumption was to keep the b/w of the existing TE LSP in tact. I
don't understand how the TE LSPs could be zeroed before reoptimization. In
optical networks, there is no such thing as "zero" b/w LSP. In IP/MPLS
networks, I understand there are 0 b/w TE LSP, but when you zero the b/w of
an existing LSP and avoid inter-lock, how can you assure the re-optimized TE
LSP with the original committed B/W? Perhaps, I am missing something here.  



Section 4
"*  Overbooking Factor -- The overbooking factor allows the
         reserved bandwidth to be overbooked on each link beyond its
         physical capacity limit."
JP> Why isn't it sufficient for the PCC to provide the bandwidth after
having dividing the bw by the over-booking factor?

 

YOUNG>> It can be done by your suggested way. Ning So (Verizon) specified
this requirement for a good reason for his operation. I think it is a matter
of preference. I believe Overbooking Factor allows an easy way to request
multiple TE-LSP's in one shot, instead of going through additional
calculation individually. Do you want to ask Ning about this? 


*  "As stated in RFC 4657, the request for a reoptimization MUST
         support the inclusion of the set of previously computed paths
         along with their bandwidth.  This is to avoid double bandwidth
         accounting and also this allows running an algorithm that
         minimizes perturbation and that can compute a migration path
         (LSP setup/removal orders).  This is particularly required for
         stateless PCEs."
JP> Note that this is already supported by PCEP.

 

YOUNG>> This is in the context of GCO. When there are multiple TE-LSPs to be
re-optimized, can PCEP support multiple requests? I thought PCEP can do one
at a time. Please correct me if I am wrong on this. If we can this with
PCEP, I can remove this text. 



Section 5
* S/ Reported Route Objects (RROs)/Record Route Object

 

YOUNG>> Thanks. We will correct. 


* "D bit (orDer - 1 bit): when set, in a PCReq message, the requesting
   PCC requires the PCE to specify in the PCRep message the order in
   which this particular path request is to be provisioned relative to
   other requests."
JP> What if the PCC sets this bit for a subset of the request in the SVEC
list ? (just mention it). Note also that ordering is not meaningful if the
PCC=NMS, not in a distributed system.

 

YOUNG>> The PCE would apply "ordering" only to the TE-LSP's whose D bit is
set in the RP object. The rest of the TE-LSPs in the SVEC wouldn't be
ordered. If PCC=NMS, this does not apply. 


"The Order TLV SHOULD be included in the RP object in the PCRep
   message if the D bit is set in the RP object in the PCReq message."
JP> Why a SHOULD and not a MUST ?

 

YOUNG>> It should be "MUST" - will change. 



Section 6
* 6.5.  Requirements on Other Protocols and Functional Components

   The PCE Discovery mechanisms ([RFC 5088] and [RFC 5089]) may be used
   to advertise global concurrent path computation capabilities to PCCs.
JP> How ? New flags in PCE-CAP-FLAGS Sub-TLV ?

 

YOUNG>> Yes, we need to define a new flag (value = 9, if not taken yet) in
the current PCE-CAP-FLAGs. 




Others
In several places we use TE LSPs in other places LSPs. Can you make sure to
systematically use "TE LSPs" ?



YOUNG>> Will change globally. 


Thanks.

JP.

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