Perhaps not. I just would like the pro 1 because I do want to be a movie sound designer some day, so I need the surround sound. Like I told you the other day to, I like the surround sound feature for fun too. I can edit DVD chapters I extract with DVD Audio Extracter with Pro.
-----Original Message----- From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 5:38 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - Studio Daily Fair Points and I too have used Adobe Audition though it was quite some time back, I enjoyed the experience. I'm not totally anti Sound Forge either, I own Sound Forge Audio Studio, there are things I don't like about it, I'm not sure - knowing now what I didn't know when I bought it - I would have paid the money for it but having said all that, well it cost less than $100 and does perform quite well, I wonder to be honest whether Sound Forge Audio Studio might be all that most people would need if they're going to look at Sound Forge? A lot of people are fascinated with the "Pro" in a title, Sound Forge Pro and so on but having "Pro" as part of a name doesn't mean that its better or worse than the competition or doesn't mean that its going to work any better than a basic or cut down version of something for some users. On 2/07/2015 7:15 AM, Steve Jacobson wrote: > Dane and others, > > This is a valuable thread and I hope we can continue with some serious > discussion because it seems to me that a lot gets glossed over. I started > out with CoolEdit and stuck with it when it became Audition 1.0 and also 1.5 > from Adobe. It wasn't perfect, but it could do a lot, and it was pretty > accessible. Then came Audition 2.0 which displayed everything differently > and it was suddenly not accessible. At that point, I switched to Sound Forge. > > While I certainly fall into the category of hoping a new version of Sound > Forge will be more accessible, I am also relieved when a new version doesn't > make inaccessible that which I already know as Audition did. There is also a > tendency on my part to feel that since I've already made an investment in > money and also in time to learn the software, that I tend to stick with new > versions. Still, I would never say that Sound Forge is the best audio editor > for us. If someone gets what they want from another editor that is more > accessible, they are going to experience a good deal less frustration. > > Even so, it does seem to me that there is a lot being said without looking at > details. More than once, in my frustration with Sound Forge, I've tried > something else and found it did a specific thing I was looking for but didn't > do something else I needed. I've also seen cases where what Sound Forge > gives me that is not readily accessible, are sometimes things I don't see > offered at all in some other programs. I mentioned a couple of days back > that I was trying to dynamically expand some compressed audio and I could > find no accessible way to do it with Sound forge. I developed an expansion > preset using an Optacon, a difficult process, but I can now use that preset > to accomplish some of what I wanted. When I last checked, I didn't find that > I could expand data with a couple of the popular programs. In one case, the > "expansion" I was told could be done by another package was for expanding the > sound field, not the dynamic range. I also found that I got results with the > Sound Forge Noise Reduction plug-in that to my ear, I could not achieve with > a couple of other programs. It wasn't that they didn't reduce noise, they > did that very well. One of the four noise reduction modes that Sound Forge > had, though, allowed me to get rid of more noise with less side effects. I > could not find anything that worked as well in that particular case. I > developed a process in Sound Forge that I use on meetings that does a nice > job of bringing up the audio gain for questions off mike that sounds a lot > like someone manually adjusting the gain. It delays compression and then > after a couple of seconds brings up the gain. Other programs had similar > effects, but I could just never quite get the same results. > > So what's my point, I know I'm sounding like I'm saying that Sound Forge is > the best. That's not what I mean to say. Where my frustration is that I > keep reading here that program a does something as well as Sound Forge does, > and program B does something else as good. What I have not felt has been > said specifically is where there is a program that does everything Sound > Forge does for me and also does some of what Sound Forge does in a more > accessible way. So SWave can edit as tightly. That is good to know, but > what else does it do? Does anybody have experience with the latest version > of Audition with the latest screen reader support for it? Is it worth a > look? I tried it a while back and much of what was lost is now made > accessible using MSAA or UIA, but I still found gaps. > > I took a close look at Audacity plug-ins a while back and I found a huge > number of them. However, it seemed like many were made to deal with very > specific problems, and in my searching, I didn't find anything that would > dynamically expand audio, either accessible or not. > > It is fine to say there are many other options, and I wouldn't argue with > that at all. It's just that in my experience, it seems as though I would > have to use many other options to do what I am managing to do with Sound > Forge with all of its accessibility issues. I would like to hop onto another > band wagon, especially if it was better and cheaper, but it would be helpful > if we didn't each have to try five different programs to find out what each > will or not do. Has anyone found Audacity plug-ins that are particularly > useful? What else does SWave do? I know that Total Recorder can record > pretty much any audio that comes into a computer, can be set up for timed > recording, and can be used to edit, but does it have other audio functions? > Gold wave does a lot of things well. Can anyone who used Sound Forge and > moved to Gold Wave talk about what is better and what isn't? It would be > helpful to get some specifics from people who use various tools. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > > -----Original Message----- > From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of > Dane Trethowan > Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2015 1:08 PM > To: PC Audio Discussion List > Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - > Studio Daily > > You're right about what people are used to yes but tight edits in Goldwave? > Again, if you know what you're doing then yes, you certainly can do some very > tight editing in Goldwave, Total Recorder etc, both those pieces of software > have functions a plenty for tight editing. > > > > On 1/07/2015 10:00 PM, tim cumings wrote: >> If you are looking for a program on the pc side that is a good editor >> I use golswave. Despite opinions to the dcontrary, you can make just >> as tight edits in goldave as ou can in sound forge. I think a lot of >> it is simply what hyou are used to in terms of an editor. Jonathan >> Mosen, for example, who used to be a big proponent of sound forge, >> told me recently that on the pc side he now uses studio recorder for >> most of his pc editing needs. Now studio recorder doesn't have all >> the bells and whistle that sound forge does, noise reduction, ability >> to use plug-ins, etc, but for just plain editing it apparently works >> very well. >> . >> >> On 7/1/2015 12:48 AM, Dane Trethowan wrote: >>> I don't know whether we're talking along the same lines but I know >>> that I can write each channel of a surround-sound recording to >>> different files. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 1/07/2015 1:28 PM, Hamit Campos wrote: >>>> All though Reaper can open surround sound files right? Can you >>>> break them with it too like with SF? >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>> Dane Trethowan >>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 8:50 PM >>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>> Studio Daily >>>> >>>> The other problem here also seems to be blind loyalty - pardon the >>>> pun -, people buy a product - in this case Sound Forge -, they've >>>> spent so much money on the product so therefore they're hoping >>>> beyond hope that everything will work as it did in Sound Forge 4.5 >>>> and they're not looking to try anything new even though times and >>>> software are a changing and that's unfortunate as those people miss >>>> out on anything that actually works. >>>> >>>> Sony Creative Software have never been interested in accessibility >>>> and I doubt they ever will be whereas other products have come >>>> along where the developers are interested in accessibility and take >>>> note of user feedback, there's a lot of competition out there. >>>> >>>> A classic case in point is Sonar, I know someone who spent >>>> literally thousands over time on Sonar this and Sonar that, >>>> upgrades and all the rest of it. >>>> >>>> I encouraged him to try Reaper and.. well.. he wished he'd known >>>> about it earlier and he's furious with himself for spending a >>>> fortune on Sonar, of course its not his fault but I do give him >>>> credit for having the courage to try another product and just not >>>> blindly follow on. >>>> >>>> Finally, I doubt whether 99% of Sound Forge Pro users - whether >>>> Blind or Sighted - would even use a quarter of the functions >>>> offered so we're back to square one, why spend so much money? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 29/06/2015 5:34 PM, Brian Hartgen wrote: >>>>> I agree that Amadeus Pro is ideal on the Mac side, I've used it >>>>> and it works very well. >>>>> >>>>> On Windows, in terms of serious audio production without vision, >>>>> there is nothing that beats Sound Forge V8 if you can get it, V9 >>>>> and above have serious accessibility issues in my view and, >>>>> despite me reporting these to Sony, they've not been fixed. >>>>> >>>>> On Windows, for multi-track work I use Sonar 8.5. Again, it's >>>>> excellent and allows you to be very precise in terms of achieving >>>>> a good overall balance of tracks. I like to be very precise with >>>>> my editing, and Sonar does not quite give me the flexibility that >>>>> Sound Forge does, but we do use Sonar a lot. >>>>> >>>>> Brian Hartgen >>>>> Hartgen Consultancy >>>>> www.hartgen.org >>>>> Phone UK: 02920-850298. >>>>> Phone US: 415-871-0626 >>>>> >>>>> JAWS Certified, 2015. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of >>>>> Dane Trethowan >>>>> Sent: Monday, June 29, 2015 4:55 AM >>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>> Subject: Re: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>> Studio Daily >>>>> >>>>> If you’re just relying on Sound Forge to record with a simple >>>>> keystroke then you’re money is well and truly wasted<smile>, Total >>>>> Recorder for example records at the touch of a keystroke, just >>>>> type ctrl-r from within the Application or set up a global hotkey >>>>> to record from anywhere. >>>>> >>>>> I’ve not played with Sound Forge Pro for a very long time, Audio >>>>> Studio does me so I’m wondering just how many of the “Visual” >>>>> features in Sound Forge Pro 11 a person without sight can make use of? >>>>> >>>>> If you want to know what my favourite audio package is - for >>>>> recording, editing, multi track recording and just about >>>>> everything else to do with audio - then its undoubtedly Amadeus Pro. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 29 Jun 2015, at 1:41 pm, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Epic, I've tried it. It's so easy to record with it. 1 keystroke >>>>>> and you're capturing. >>>>>> I love it. Can't wait for them to upgrade Audio Studio. >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf >>>>>> Of Dane Trethowan >>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2015 8:07 PM >>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>>>>> Subject: Review: Sony Creative Software Sound Forge Pro 11 - >>>>>> Studio Daily >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.studiodaily.com/2013/10/review-sound-forge-pro-11/ >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> ********** >>>>>> Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> ********** >>>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the >>>>> rest of the halfwits in this world behind. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >> -- ********** Those who need help are those who are prepared to help themselves
