Thanks David: I was just thinking of the others who might not have any programming background. That said, my little Realtek on board is doing what I want it to do and I doubt that oythers would want to buy me a card just so I could script it, too expensive. So, I guess it is just a thought for now. If I ever get another sound card for some reason I might take a look at scripting it. As you noted, each card might be diferent so that is likely why nobody has done a script. I was hoping that a card's functiionallity could be scripted via the Operating System and then it might apply across various cards but that does not seem to be the case. Scripting for Windoweyes is a pretty complex process and I have only done a couple of small scripts to expose some functionallity in the Visual Studio Environment. Well, off to the day's affairs my friend.
Thanks:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reynolds" <dkreyno...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 6:21 AM
Subject: RE: Sound Card Scripting


Rick,

I think your guesses are accurate. As a programming type myself, I think
scripting for individual sound cards would be definitely worthwhile, but as you've already said, this would involve some expenditure on something which
you or I may not want to use again. It isn't like software where you can
download a trial version and script it.

Any further issues, let me know, and I'll help if I can.

David.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: 14 December 2009 09:49
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Sound Card Scripting

Hi Dave: That is very very good info. In Windoweyes we can map keys either
inside virtual windows or inside a script using something like VBScript. It might be possible to script the software provided by a card manufacturer and

the only way to know for sure would be to get one of them, then do the
analysis on the DOM model to determine if it could be scripted. In that case

I am out of the loop unless someone on list wants to buy or lend me a card
and software since I just use my on board card. My guess would be that the
card manufactures do not comply with MSAA standards nor make any effort to
make their DOM accessible to screen reader software hooks. That said, there
are usually work-arounds. It also depends on each individual card although
the DOM may be very similar between models within a given company.
Programming types do not like to ReInvent the wheel so they usually will
build on existing models making various models using similar DOMs easy to
script once one has been scripted. Anyway, it is just a thought at this
point. It might be possible to make one or more cards quite accessible under

Windoweyes and I would guess under JAWS as well but would require having a
popular sound card, software and then allot of work to analyze the DOM and
create the actual script. If there is ever an opportunity for me to install
another sound card I will examine the DOM and see what I can do but I am
broke and sure can't afford having one installed just now. Thanks for the
info and good luck if you are having any problems. My on board card chip
seems to work well enough and I don't have tone controls but use the ones on

my speakers when necessary. I do have the Sterio Mix set up and working and
can set all the volume levels for the various inputs and outputs.
Thanks again:
Rick USA
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reynolds" <dkreyno...@ntlworld.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 11:11 AM
Subject: RE: Sound Card Scripting


Rick,

I would guess that in the case of cards with proprietary drivers, you'd
need
to script the card software itself. In the case of Creative, this is
imperative, since a great deal of the functionality is only available via
creative software. The MSAA route is a bit of a non-starter here, and I
guess you'd probably benefit by using something like hot spot clicker,
because many of the buttons and sliders are graphic. Essentially, you'd
need
to map various keys to hsc, that would be a good start. With hsc, you can
not only map keys, but also get jaws to announce what you want. Whether
the
same thing is available under WE, I don't know. If it isn't, I'd guess you need to set up a series of small virtual windows, and map keys to click on
them.
Hope this helps,

David.

-----Original Message-----
From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
On Behalf Of RicksPlace
Sent: 13 December 2009 10:29
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Sound Card Scripting

Hi All: I am an old programmer type. Since there is so much trouble with
Sound Cards I am wondering if anyone has tried scripting for a sound card.
First, the card software or the Operating System needs to make some
scriptable information available and it is usually called MSAA for
Microsoft
Active Accessiblity. This is one of the scriptable data points that
Windoweyes uses, I am not sure about JAWS. So, my question is actually, do
you script for the individual sound card or do you script the Operating
System when you want to set options?
Rick USA
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