I was using outspoken in 1995. That's when I bought my copy. I still have all my mac discs. I have all kinds of programs that I downloaded for the mac way back then. I owned a couple of macs. I had a performa 6800 and a LC. I had lots of fun with sound on the Mac. I've always felt that the Mac couldn't be beat for sound and grafics. I can't say if that's still true but I suspect it is.
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 11/22/2007 at 1:12 AM Dane Trethowan wrote: >Yep ok, that figures, I first saw Outspoken in 1991 and it hadn't been out >for too long then. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >On Behalf Of Christopher Chaltain >Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 1:10 AM >To: PC Audio Discussion List >Subject: Re: Apples apples everywhere > >I think Outspoken showed up around 1990. I say that because I started >using IBM's Screen Reader/2 on OS/2, which could access both OS/2 and >Windows 3.1 applications, in January 1991. Screen Reader/2 became >generally available later that year. I know Outspoken was around before >then because Screen Reader/2 used an off screen model, and Berkley >Systems was credited with the first use of an off screen model in their >Outspoken product. In fact, I might have seen a demo of Outspoken at the >NFB convention in 1990. > >Dane Trethowan wrote: >> Ok, well tha'ts not quite either and 20 years ago I was indeed using an >> Apple 2/E computer. The Echo 2/+ which you're refering to was known then >as >> "an expansion" card which fitted into an "expansion slot", much like >today's >> PC cards fit into slots inside the computer. This card had nothing >whatever >> to do with the sounds generated by the Apple, that was done through the >> Apple's CPU through the Apple's internal speaker. >> The Echo did however have some sound chips onboard which allowed for >various >> extra sounds to be added, you could program the thing to play music, I >have >> some compositions somewhere both as demo stuff and some I tried to write >> using Applesoft basic. Yes, you could I suppose call the Echo a sound card >> but it wasn't, it was supposed to be a voice synthesizer if you can see >what >> I'm getting at. >> Now if you want to use another example of what I believe you're talking >> about, my Doubletalk Lt, it also has some sound chips on it and you can >> programme the thing to make some basic sounds, sound DTMF tones and the >like >> so in that way, my Doubletalk LT and the Echo are similar. >> As a final tribute to the Echo, have a listen to one if you can, boy! >We've >> sure come a hell of a long way in regard to voice synthesis. >> Now in April this year, the Operating System for the Mac was indeed Tiger >> and the Screen Reader was indeed built-into or part of that, speech has >> actually been part of every Apple OS for Mac since version 4 I think so >the >> logical extension was a built-in Screen Reader. Outspoken for example, >> didn't have its own speech rather it used the speech provided by the OS. >> You talk of Screen Readers 20 years ago for the Apple. Well as far as I >know >> (and someone could correct me on this) but there wasn't a screen reader >for >> the Apple at that time, rahter software such as Wordtalk was designed >"from >> the ground-up" as an accessible word processor with a variety of voice >> synthesizers. >> Now to be absolutely clear on this, I don't know exactly when Outspoken >for >> the Mac arrived on the scene but I'm absolutely sure that it wasn't around >> 20 years ago, Mac computers back then were around but very few and very >> rare, the main Apple computers in use at the time were the Apple 2/E and >the >> amazing (for the time) Apple 2/GS (GS standing for Graphics Sound). >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P >> Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2007 12:26 AM >> To: PC Audio Discussion List >> Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC >> >> High Dane, >> 20 years ago, the screen reader for the MACKS were built in to the sound >> cards. >> But back then, they were called echo speech synthesizers. >> It was a good while back I thank in April or May of this year, someone on >> this list said that tiger was a screen reader for the MACKS. >> OXX systems I've heard of, but I've never heard of that one,so please >> forgive me. >> I only said I'd like to see them in action because I wonder how much has >> changed in MACKS cense the last 20 years. >> How are those sound cards sat up these days? >> And thanks for the corrections. >> John. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 1:10 AM >> Subject: RE: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC >> >> >> >>> Ok, just to correct you on a couple of points here. Tiger was an >operating >>> system for the Mac (like say Windows for the PC) but it has now become >>> superseeded. >>> The Mac Screen Reader is indeed VoiceOver but it is not built-in to the >>> Sound Card rather its part of the Mac Operating System, it has been sine >>> 2005. >>> Hope this helps. >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> On Behalf Of DJ DOCTOR P >>> Sent: Wednesday, 21 November 2007 4:56 PM >>> To: PC Audio Discussion List >>> Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC >>> >>> Hello Tyler, >>> There is a screen reader for the Mack systems. >>> It's called Tiger, and it's built in to the sound card. >>> I haven't played with a Mack in more then 20 years, but I here that it's >>> more assessable then Windows. >>> I don't know this for sure, like you I would like to see it in action >too. >>> John. >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Timberwolf" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 5:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC >>> >>> >>> >>>> Ok. >>>> >>>> Lets make a few things clear. >>>> >>>> >>>> 1. What in the world is your problem with windows. If you don't like it, >>>> don't use it, not to mention don't call it a trashbox, you don't see me >>>> sittin here calling your mack a trashbox. I haven't used a mack because >I >>>> don't know if there are any screenreaders available and certainly I >>>> haven't >>>> heard of any. >>>> >>>> 2. Secondly because, imho anyway, apple's products are a bit overpriced >>>> and >>>> not to mention I wish other companies would support mack (if mack is so >>>> great, etc). I've got an acer aspire 3000+ here, hp pavillion dv5220, >and >>>> just recently got an alienware, 2.3 ghz intel duel core processor, 2 gb >>>> ram, >>>> top of the line etc. >>>> >>>> Now, the reason I'm saying this is because some people, like you, prefer >>>> mack. That's perfectly fine. Some people such as myself like windows and >>>> are >>>> used to it, therefore use it. Now, I'm not saying anything bad about a >>>> mack- >>>> so why're you jabbing fingers at windows? for that matter, if mack does >>>> everything you say it does, why are you using windows in the first place >>>> if >>>> you don't like it? >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope I don't look like I'm flaming you but, that's just my oppinion, >>>> and >>>> also I kind of feel insulted when people call windows a trashbox, while >>>> not >>>> giving supporting evidence of such. While microsoft may have its >>>> drawbacks, >>>> I see nothing wrong with vista, just some things to get used to, and >>>> besides, people are complaining about it all the time, but I personally >>>> don't mind it. Now I know this is a pc audio list and will add that it >>>> could >>>> be your computer that's causing the crash. winamps never crashed on my >>>> system, although I once loaded a .ogg file which free download manager >>>> was >>>> downloading and it lagged my pc baaaaad! (of course, this was on the >acer >>>> with like 1.6 ghz, 256 mb ram) so I upgraded the thing with another 512 >>>> mb. >>>> So hey, Dane, if you don't mind e-mailing me off list, I'd like to see a >>>> mack in action and get the specs on the thing. Also would like to know >if >>>> any screenreaders are available and how good they work. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - Tyler >>>> visit my website! >>>> http://www.valiant.789mb.com >>>> >>>> note: Make sure you have your speakers turned on to get a cool-sounding >>>> intro! >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 9:45 AM >>>> Subject: Winamp, my thoughts and VLC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Ok folks, I tried out the latest (and greatest?) version of Winamp and >I >>>>> had >>>>> a few problems running it on the trashbox (otherwise known as the >>>>> Windows >>>>> PC) <smile> For some reason (I don't know why) Winamp it seems, was >>>>> responsible for the Trashbox crashing every few minutes. >>>>> >>>>> Naturally this behavior to anyone (particularly to a Mac user where >>>>> crashes >>>>> are few and far between) <lol> is totally unacceptable so back onto the >>>>> machine went VLC media Player, it was listening to both that I make the >>>>> following observations. >>>>> >>>>> Firstly, VLC does a far better job ad decoding media such as MP3 etc, >>>>> you >>>>> can hear the differences quite distinctly. >>>>> >>>>> Controls are similar to those presented in Winamp and in a lot of ways, >>>>> VLC >>>>> is easier to use with a screen reader, not as cluttered as Winamp seems >>>>> to >>>>> be. >>>>> >>>>> I've been using VLC on the Mac for ages but haven't had too much >>>>> experience >>>>> with it on the PC, the command set is slightly different but that's >>>>> probably >>>>> due mainly to differences in the keyboard layout between Mac and >>>>> Trashbox >>>>> Windows PC. For example, you go to previous and next tracks in VLC >under >>>>> the >>>>> Mac using command-left and command-right arrow respectively, on the PC >>>>> version you use P and N on the keyboard >>>>> >>>>> If anyone would like to give this excellent little media player a try >>>>> then >>>>> use your friend Google and look for "vlc", you'll have no trouble >>>>> finding >>>>> it. 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