You're also not going to find two people to whom access8ibility means
exactly the same thing, either.

Bruce
On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:42:12 +1000, "Dane Trethowan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> The problem is with acessability that you're never really going to  
> come up with a perfect product all of the time unless something is  
> built for specific needs.
> Looking at the I Phone again, I told you about how one way this  
> product could be made accessible, ok that means you have to carry  
> another device around but that's easier and cheaper for everyone than  
> changing the total design of the I Phone or bringing out a totally  
> new model.
> 
> On 20/07/2007, at 4:30 AM, Keith Gillard wrote:
> 
> Well good on you dude!
> 
> I think we are looking at access from two differing view points.   
> I'll be
> the first to admit that I generally forget to consider the deaf/blind or
> partially sighted community when reviewing products or posting  
> comments on
> accessibility.
> 
> Total blindness is my world I guess grin...Keith
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:20 PM
> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin
> 
> 
> Hmmm, not me, I'm very arrogant and outlandish so I doubt I'll change
> much.
> 
> On 20/07/2007, at 4:09 AM, Keith Gillard wrote:
> 
> I see that your also busy generating comments for which you have
> little or
> no research behind them.
> 
> I suggest you might want to consider reviewing some of your earlier
> posts
> then maybe you might reframe from making such outlandish and arrogant
> statements...Keith
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin
> 
> 
> I must admit, I get a good laugh out of some people who just hunt
> around for excuses without actually reading fact, I guess that's the
> "blind" for you, easier to knock something than read or research
> something or try something.
> The I phone I admit is not perfect but neither are a million other
> products but yet most are usable with a little forethought, at the
> present stage the Ip phone cannot be used by a totally blind person
> because of the nature of its design and in a previous message I
> posted a way that this problem could be rectified. I also said that
> if you went to the pages pertaining to the I Phone, you could bring
> up the Accessability pages and you would discover that many
> accessability features have been built-in to help people including
> people with low vision, deafness etc. I'll be perfectly frank with
> all of you, as I'm deaf-blind, I may consider purchasing this phone
> in the future for the main benefit of accessing its "TTY"
> capabilities. Obviously I'm not going to waste my money until I find
> out how these work but as I use a "TTY" allot of my time then this
> feature (assuming I can get it to work somehow) will be highly useful
> for my communications needs etc.
> 
> On 19/07/2007, at 11:38 PM, Keith Gillard wrote:
> 
> Yup.  If your visually impaired you might be able to squint and see the
> phone.  Just another way to burn out what vision you may have left.
> 
> It's really too bad though, as a simple MP3 talk clip style TTS of
> each menu
> and function would make this phone a real option for blind folk...Keith
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin
> 
> 
> Indeed and you'll find that Apple have done everything as far as the
> design allows to build accessability into this phone, go and look up
> I Phone accessability and you'll find at least 2 pages listing
> accessability features on this device.
> 
> On 19/07/2007, at 4:41 PM, Gary Wood wrote:
> 
> Well if Apple says that they want to put accessible products in the
> blind
> marketplace, we should call them on this issue.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Don Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin
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> 
> > maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why
> > blindness
> > organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't
> > fill that
> > is
> > worth the trouble.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin
> >
> >
> > Thankfully yes!
> >
> > The majority of the sighted market.
> >
> > definitely not the accessible market
> >
> > I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for
> > three
> > years now.
> >
> > It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up.
> >
> > kG.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> >
> > Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard
> > drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever
> > if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may
> > be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their
> > isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily and as far as I know,
> > the "wheel" interface will stay the same so no, sorry, its not the
> > end of the world and yep, thankfully, Apple are acting for a majority
> > in the market.
> >
> > On 19/07/2007, at 9:19 AM, Keith Gillard wrote:
> >
> > Sorry dude!
> >
> > Not impressed.  I get all this from my smart phone and Rockbox.
> >
> > Now, if your telling me that Apple is going to launch the promised
> > speech
> > capabilities of Ipods, then I will really be impressed...KG
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> >
> > Ok, that's what today's press here is writing about and what's so
> > good about this. Some excellent features on the way including Wi-Fi
> > built-in and best of all in my view, blue tooth compatibility for
> > file transfer and stereo communications with headphones and speakers
> > and a 120 Gig hard drive.
> >
> >
> >
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