You're also not going to find two people to whom access8ibility means exactly the same thing, either.
Bruce On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 04:42:12 +1000, "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > The problem is with acessability that you're never really going to > come up with a perfect product all of the time unless something is > built for specific needs. > Looking at the I Phone again, I told you about how one way this > product could be made accessible, ok that means you have to carry > another device around but that's easier and cheaper for everyone than > changing the total design of the I Phone or bringing out a totally > new model. > > On 20/07/2007, at 4:30 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: > > Well good on you dude! > > I think we are looking at access from two differing view points. > I'll be > the first to admit that I generally forget to consider the deaf/blind or > partially sighted community when reviewing products or posting > comments on > accessibility. > > Total blindness is my world I guess grin...Keith > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 12:20 PM > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > Hmmm, not me, I'm very arrogant and outlandish so I doubt I'll change > much. > > On 20/07/2007, at 4:09 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: > > I see that your also busy generating comments for which you have > little or > no research behind them. > > I suggest you might want to consider reviewing some of your earlier > posts > then maybe you might reframe from making such outlandish and arrogant > statements...Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 11:05 AM > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > I must admit, I get a good laugh out of some people who just hunt > around for excuses without actually reading fact, I guess that's the > "blind" for you, easier to knock something than read or research > something or try something. > The I phone I admit is not perfect but neither are a million other > products but yet most are usable with a little forethought, at the > present stage the Ip phone cannot be used by a totally blind person > because of the nature of its design and in a previous message I > posted a way that this problem could be rectified. I also said that > if you went to the pages pertaining to the I Phone, you could bring > up the Accessability pages and you would discover that many > accessability features have been built-in to help people including > people with low vision, deafness etc. I'll be perfectly frank with > all of you, as I'm deaf-blind, I may consider purchasing this phone > in the future for the main benefit of accessing its "TTY" > capabilities. Obviously I'm not going to waste my money until I find > out how these work but as I use a "TTY" allot of my time then this > feature (assuming I can get it to work somehow) will be highly useful > for my communications needs etc. > > On 19/07/2007, at 11:38 PM, Keith Gillard wrote: > > Yup. If your visually impaired you might be able to squint and see the > phone. Just another way to burn out what vision you may have left. > > It's really too bad though, as a simple MP3 talk clip style TTS of > each menu > and function would make this phone a real option for blind folk...Keith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 3:50 AM > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > Indeed and you'll find that Apple have done everything as far as the > design allows to build accessability into this phone, go and look up > I Phone accessability and you'll find at least 2 pages listing > accessability features on this device. > > On 19/07/2007, at 4:41 PM, Gary Wood wrote: > > Well if Apple says that they want to put accessible products in the > blind > marketplace, we should call them on this issue. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Don Ball" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 7:56 PM > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > > maybe it has a touch screen like the I Phone. Still don't know why > > blindness > > organizations aren't calling them on that but I gues they don't > > fill that > > is > > worth the trouble. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Keith Gillard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 8:48 PM > > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > > > > Thankfully yes! > > > > The majority of the sighted market. > > > > definitely not the accessible market > > > > I've been using a 120 gig hard drive on an accessible jukebox for > > three > > years now. > > > > It's nice to see that Apple is finally catching up. > > > > kG. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 5:35 PM > > Subject: Re: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > > > > Well yep, I get that from my phone too but I don't get a 120 gig hard > > drive and I'm afraid that I'm not going to lose any sleep whatsoever > > if Apple doesn't bother with speech on an Ipod, with luck there may > > be Rockbox for the 6th generation and here's hoping but even if their > > isn't, I can still use my Ipods quite happily and as far as I know, > > the "wheel" interface will stay the same so no, sorry, its not the > > end of the world and yep, thankfully, Apple are acting for a majority > > in the market. > > > > On 19/07/2007, at 9:19 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: > > > > Sorry dude! > > > > Not impressed. I get all this from my smart phone and Rockbox. > > > > Now, if your telling me that Apple is going to launch the promised > > speech > > capabilities of Ipods, then I will really be impressed...KG > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Dane Trethowan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "PC audio discussion list." <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:29 PM > > Subject: 6th generation IPOD's Comin > > > > > > Ok, that's what today's press here is writing about and what's so > > good about this. 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