HellO! I have heard about some films here in sweden recorded on some very bad tapes. I don't remember what really happend but there was some breakdown of the tapes. Really wickid one. /ANders.
----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Seed To: PC audio discussion list. Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 3:24 PM Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder Not exactly sure what was used to bind the oxide to the paper, but what ever it was must have been good, as the tape didn't bind like the tape that came out in the 70's and 80's. The downside of paper as that it was not forgiving, as it would break easily as it aged. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 2:45 AM Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder > Hi Bob! I have been around more than long enough. I'm 65 years of age. > Loll! I do remember wire recorders, because we had one. I didn't know > that > paper tape was used in the 50s, but then, I don't know everything either. > We had a couple of code practice tapes that I used while learning that for > ham radio. Bob, when paper tape was used in the 50s, did it have the iron > oxide that was with traditional plastic? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:39 AM > Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder > > >> Probably not, as you haven't been around long enough. >> Used in the 1950's when tape recorders were first available to the >> public. >> Then there is the wire recorder. 8 track tapes and machines were a >> spin-off >> of the type of audio that was, and still is used in some commercial radio >> stations to this day. In the case of commercial radio the cart, is what >> the >> call it is about half the thickness of an 8 track cartridge.One track is >> for >> audio, and the second track is a cue track that has a tone on it that >> tells >> the player to stop when the commercial or jingle is finished. . . >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:43 AM >> Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder >> >> >>> I've never seen paper tape used for audio! >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:05 AM >>> Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder >>> >>> >>>>I guess the rule here is that if it ain't etched in stone it's not >>>> permanent, and even stone will wear down. Archiving audio and video >>>> files >>>> for long periods of time have always been an issue. Photographs fade, >>>> and >>>> audio tape becomes brittle, and if not properly taken care of will >>>> discinigrate. Apparently audio tape that was made in the mid to late >>>> 70's >>>> was inferior to the audio tape that was manufactured in the 60's. >>>> Believe >>>> it >>>> or not paper audio tape held up rather well over the years. It is hard >>>> to >>>> find and is still out there in someone's audio file. There really isn't >>>> a >>>> permanent solution. to the safe storage of audio and video files for >>>> long >>>> periods of time. I was a music librarian for over 20 years, and could >>>> see >>>> the collection that I was responsible for changing before my eyes. >>>> Vinyl >>>> records became brittle, Audio tape would bind, and compact discs would >>>> also >>>> go through a similar change. If you have a reel to reel tape machine it >>>> is >>>> always advised that you store the tape tail out, and in this way you >>>> will >>>> avoid the tape sticking when you play it back, as you have to rewind >>>> the >>>> tape before playing. How many of us do that?. . . . . . >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Bruce Toews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 3:00 AM >>>> Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder >>>> >>>> >>>>> But flash does have a limited shelf life, from my understanding, just >>>>> like >>>>> any other storage. Certainly, the number of times it can be rewritten >>>>> is >>>>> limited. >>>>> >>>>> Bruce >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Bruce Toews >>>>> Skype ID: o.canada >>>>> E-mail and MSN/Windows Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> LiveJournal: http://brucetola.livejournal.com >>>>> Radio Show and Podcast: http://www.totw.net >>>>> Web Site (including info on my weekly commentaries): >>>>> http://www.ogts.net >>>>> Info on the Best TV Show of All Time: http://www.cornergas.com >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, 31 May 2007, Gary Wood wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I think that flash could be the new standard. After all, with flash, >>>>>> I >>>>>> think there are no moving parts to wear out. >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 7:29 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> The key word here is back up everything on another drive. or to go >>>>>>> flash. >>>>>>> Do >>>>>>> you really think that radio stations, for an example have all of >>>>>>> their >>>>>>> music, jingles, and commercial content only on one drive? I think >>>>>>> not. >>>>>>> Believe me, if it's mechanical it will fail. The question is when? >>>>>>> Mind >>>>>>> you, hard drive technology has improved over the years and is more >>>>>>> reliable, >>>>>>> but as stated earlier in this post it is mechanical, and given time >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> crash. Audio tape isn't an exact science either, as it too will >>>>>>> break >>>>>>> down >>>>>>> over time. . Most of us do not have the technology to preserve the >>>>>>> storage >>>>>>> of electronic media in our homes. >>>>>>> I am talking about the storage of materials on magnetic tape. >>>>>>> Although >>>>>>> compact discs have proven to be very reliable so far, we have no >>>>>>> idea >>>>>>> how >>>>>>> long they will last, as they have only been around since the mid >>>>>>> 80's. >>>>>>> Personally it is my feeling that flash memory will soon become the >>>>>>> standard. >>>>>>> There are memory sticks on the market that will hold up to 700 of >>>>>>> those >>>>>>> old >>>>>>> floppies that most of us grew up with, and the price of these sticks >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> quite reasonable too at around 15 dollars Canadian when on sale. . >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> . . . . . >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Gary Wood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 2:23 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Revox cassette recorder >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Bob. Here's a question: If everyone gives up CD's and tapes >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> harddrive, if you put all your stored music on it from many years >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> listening, what if the drive crashes, and then you lose everything >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>> have, >>>>>>>> short of copying to another harddrive recording system? >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Bob Seed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 1:24 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Revox cassette recorder >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The Revox cassette recorder that you are probably looking for is >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> model >>>>>>>>> 710. >>>>>>>>> Nakimichi made two professional cassette recorders in the 70's. >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> 1000, >>>>>>>>> and the cheaper 700. I personally have the 700 model. It is a >>>>>>>>> solenoid >>>>>>>>> machine with three motors with Dolby, echo, and a oscillator for >>>>>>>>> tape >>>>>>>>> alignment. The thinking here is that there are no two cassettes >>>>>>>>> alike >>>>>>>>> despite how stringent manufacturing might be. By using the tone >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> alignment you could be assured of a perfect recording all of the >>>>>>>>> time. >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> 700 even comes with a wired remote control. This company also made >>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> portable 600 model which was very good for field recording. >>>>>>>>> You may also want to look at Tascam. Tascam is the professional >>>>>>>>> line >>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>> Teac. If I had my druthers and wanted to stick with the audio tape >>>>>>>>> format I would much rather use R-dat. The problem here is that >>>>>>>>> R-dat >>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>> used >>>>>>>>> professionally, and unfortunately did not catch on with the public >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> expected. It has been rumoured in the audio file community that >>>>>>>>> CD's >>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>> on the way out in favour of audio being put on flash cards and >>>>>>>>> hard >>>>>>>>> drives. >>>>>>>>> It truly makes sense, as you can now get a 500 GB external hard >>>>>>>>> drive >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> about 150 bucks. One could virtually have their entire record >>>>>>>>> collection >>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>> one portable drive to take anywhere. Most commercial radio >>>>>>>>> stations >>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>> their entire music library on hard drives. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>>>>>> To: "PC audio discussion list. " <Pc-audio@pc-audio.org> >>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 12:30 PM >>>>>>>>> Subject: audio cassette squeel problem >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The last thing that you want to do is to amerce your cassette in >>>>>>>>>> water. >>>>>>>>>> Make sure that anything that comes in contact with the audio tape >>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> clean >>>>>>>>>> such as the tape transport, capstan, pinch roller, and record and >>>>>>>>>> playback >>>>>>>>>> heads. Once that is done, and the tape still squeeks then you may >>>>>>>>>> want >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> try the following. >>>>>>>>>> Tape Baking >>>>>>>>>> When magnetic recording tapes are being stored, moisture is >>>>>>>>>> slowly >>>>>>>>>> absorbed by the binder that holds the components of the tape >>>>>>>>>> together. >>>>>>>>>> Affected tapes will squeak when played back. The squeaking can be >>>>>>>>>> heard >>>>>>>>>> directly from the tape passing over the playback head and other >>>>>>>>>> fixed >>>>>>>>>> parts of the player, but is also transmitted electronically >>>>>>>>>> through >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> playback head. Often the tape will also sound dull and distorted. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you hear a tape that is squeaking, stop playing the tape >>>>>>>>>> immediately. >>>>>>>>>> Continuing to play a squeaking tape can cause permanent damage to >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> tape, and in some cases damage to the player. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This problem can happen to any tape, but is more common in tapes >>>>>>>>>> manufactured after the mid 1970s in the USA. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The solution to the problem of squeaking tapes is to bake the >>>>>>>>>> tapes >>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> very low temperature in an oven. 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