Hi Dane.

I'd have to disagree with you on this one.  I've used a number of rippers
and used normalisation with each of them but for a long time was still
disappointed as I could still hear noticeable differences in volumes of
tracks taken from different albums.  Only MP3GAIN gives me the desired
results of all of my tracks sounding at the same volume level.

I've pasted some details from the MP3GAIN help files that explain the
difference between normalisation and setting the volume of MP3 files to be
the same that makes those few seconds to use MP3GAIN more than worth it.

Concepts

Concepts
Peak Normalization

Most programs that "normalize" sound files do so by adjusting all the
samples so that the loudest single sample is at some specified value. This
is not
a good way to make all the files actually have the same loudness. First of
all, the human ear does not hear the loudness of single samples. It averages
out sounds over time. Secondly, today's popular music CDs are heavily
compressed. The sound engineers making the CD raise the average level so
that it
sounds much louder, while compressing the loudest parts so that they don't
distort. A typical uncompressed sound file might look like this:

A typical compressed sound file might look like this:

Both of these files have a peak sample at about 100%, but the compressed
file has a much louder average level. It sounds much louder when played
back. So
to do actual loudness normalization instead of peak normalization, we need
to calculate how loud the file actually sounds. MP3Gain uses the
Replay Gain
algorithm to calculate this loudness.

Lossless Gain Adjustment

The bad news: MP3Gain can only adjust the volume of your mp3 files in steps
of 1.5 dB.

The good news: 1.5 dB is a small enough step for most practical purposes.
Most humans can just barely hear a volume change of 1 dB.

The other good news is that this volume adjustment is completely lossless.
In other words, if you adjust an mp3 by -6 dB and then change your mind, you
can adjust it again by +6 dB and it will be exactly the same as it was
before you made the first adjustment.

Here's the technical reason why it's lossless, and also why the smallest
change possible is 1.5 dB:

The mp3 format stores the sound information in small chunks called "frames".
Each frame represents a fraction of a second of sound. In each frame there
is a "global gain" field. This field is an 8-bit integer (so its value can
be a whole number from 0 to 255).

When an mp3 player decodes the sound in the frame, it uses the global gain
field to multiply the decoded sound samples by 2(gain / 4).

So if you add 1 to this gain field in all the frames in the mp3, you
effectively multiply the amplitude of the whole file by 2(1/4) = 119% = +1.5
dB.

Likewise, if you subtract 1 from the global gain, you multiply the amplitude
by 2(-1/4) = 84% = -1.5 dB.

Kevin
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> Yeah, well, rather than use that extra programme (if you're ripping from
CD)
> then why not get the CD ripper to do the job (either that or LAMe if
you're
> using it as the MP3 encoder).  Any CD ripping programme worth its salt
will
> have a normalise function (I know that EAC and Easy CD DA Extractor
certainly
> do).
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> At 20:21 13/02/2005 -0700, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
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> There is a program called mp3-gain which you can google for.  It allows
> you to pick at what db value to raise or lower your mp3s and it does it
> for you without losing quality.  A good setting for some is 92 db and
> for other 9it's 95 db.  Most cds made in the 80's are recorded at 89 db
> and so if you listen to one from that time and then pop in a cd which
> came out in the last few years you definitely notice a difference.
> mp3-gain is great for this  reason.
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