All Stakeholders, Project Leaders and OSGeo members :
/I trust this email finds you and yours well at this challenging time.
/
Please consider this upcoming situation -- *What is the content of
the OSGeoLive 2020 4GB ISO*, and *what other delivery formats are
important to you and your user and developer communities*.
--
Yesterday at the weekly *OSGeoLive IRC meeting*, the upcoming
OSGeoLive 'Focal' 2020 LTS Linux distro was discussed. We face a disk
space challenge, as usual, but this year it seems that the entire
collection of default apps and specialty apps, has grown in size. The
disk space on a 4GB ISO is full and now overflowing. *There is not
enough disk space to fit on the ISO 4GB format,* even with clever hacks
and careful pruning, as we have done each year.
In the past, we always ship a Virtual Machine format [1] along with
the ISO, for convenience. The cloud is increasingly important each
year, since the massive increase in raw data, common now in all sciences
and especially geophysical sciences, requires the cloud to access. It
is widely known that the launch of remote sensing satellites has
accelerated, and the data they provide has accelerated. Cloud-ready
environments using Docker (not preferred) or other toolchains, are
important for a wider audience. At the same time, I believe we need to
support desktop computers for individuals, with or without the Internet.
So, *the ISO format is the natural solution for desktop computers*. A
Virtual Machine format is useful, but suffers from very long download
times (3 hours on residential DSL at 300K-per-second) -- an "all or
nothing" you could say. Docker images or other cloud-ready toolchains
are increasingly important in geophysical science, because huge, current
data is only practical using a cloud infrastructure.
A second Point of View. What are the uses of the OSGeo projects ?
Desktop Applications like QGis, only make sense on a desktop computer.
Server software like Geoserver or Mapserver, have always been hosted
across a network, and fit easily into the cloud model. Command line
utilities (GDAL), programming libraries, and others are somewhere in
between.
If the purpose of the ISO disk to to "showcase all OSGeo Projects",
can we leave Geoserver or Mapserver out of the desktop ISO ? Is this
consistant with the mission of OSGeoLive ? This is a community
decision and I open the discussion with this email.
Does OSGeo have the resources, time and energy to supply cloud-ready
toolchains using the formats and plumbing required ? Will that change
over time ? Personally I believe we have to look at the core, long-term
success of various other FOSS software, to understand what has worked,
what is consistent with community values, and what is practical going
forward.
Lastly, I want to highlight one set of projects that is not OSGeo,
but is transforming education at the university level -- Jupyter,
JupyterHub and Binder. We have shipped "decent" Jupyter support since
it was called iPython, at OSGeoLive. We can continue to do this.
However the cloud-nature of the Jupyter Notebooks cuts to the center of
this discussion, because Jupyter is easily accessible for education, is
certainly a network-centeric deployment, and is a common and practical
interface to cloud hosted massive data resources. People probably know
that all the major cloud providers have supported some version of hosted
Jupyter Notebook support in the past four years. The Jupyter brand is
strong, we have a lot in common with the inclusive, educational mission
at Jupyter, and Jupyter Notebooks are easily and naturally useful in the
geophysical sciences, modelling, data science and other current topics.
thanks and best regards from Berkeley, California --Brian M
Hamlin / MAPLABS / OSGeoLive PSC
[1] This Virtual Machine format is an image that is recognized by the
major common Virtual Machine host software, and can run in the cloud or
on a local piece of hardware. https://live.osgeo.org/en/download.html
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