Yes, this was raised during the adoption call with my [contributor] opinion
being that this I-D, if adopted, should become a 9105bis. I do not think we
need another draft to do that.
Joe
From: mohamed.boucad...@orange.com <mohamed.boucad...@orange.com>
Date: Friday, November 22, 2024 at 07:12
To: Benoit Claise <benoit.cla...@huawei.com>, Wubo (lana)
<lana.w...@huawei.com>, opsawg@ietf.org <opsawg@ietf.org>, Zhengguangying
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Subject: [OPSAWG]Re: draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang: 9105bis vs. augments
9105
Re-,
draft-boucadair-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang was adopted with this note in since
-00: “Discussion Note: RFC 9105bis or keep the current augment design.”.
If the WG decides a bis is worth here, the next iteration of
draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang will be edited with that in mind + add an
“Obsolete 9105” metadata. This is straightforward, IMO: i.e., no need to start
from another yet new draft.
Cheers,
Med
De : Benoit Claise <benoit.cla...@huawei.com>
Envoyé : vendredi 22 novembre 2024 12:55
À : Wubo (lana) <lana.w...@huawei.com>; BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET
<mohamed.boucad...@orange.com>; opsawg@ietf.org; Zhengguangying (Walker)
<zhengguangy...@huawei.com>; wangzitao <wangzi...@huawei.com>
Objet : Re: [OPSAWG]draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang: 9105bis vs. augments
9105
Dear all,
So we would have:
- draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13 updating RFC 8907
- RFC9105bis that would
* reference draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-tls13 (as opposed to RFC8907)
* update RFC9105
* NOT contain this sentence:
Though being a standard module, this module does not endorse the security
mechanisms of the TACACS+ protocol (RFC 8907), and TACACS+ MUST be used within
a secure deployment
Right? That makes sense to me.
What I am not clear about is: would draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang morph
into RFC9105bis or would draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang be REPLACED-BY
RFC9105bis, which implies starting from scratch with a new draft?
Regards, Benoit
On 11/22/2024 8:02 AM, Wubo (lana) wrote:
Hi Benoit, Med, all,
I support the bis definition of Tacacs+ TLS YANG.
The warning in the abstract of RFC9105 is a recommendation of security AD and a
reminder when using this YANG standard. As Med said, RFC8907 published as
information has security vulnerabilities, but all the IETF YANG models are
published as standard. Therefore, related warnings are added to the both
abstract and security sections of the 9105 per recommendations from security AD.
I think Tacacs+ TLS has solve the security concern of 8907, so no need to keep
this warning in the abstract. And the warning can be applied to "shared-secret"
only.
Regards,
Bo
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Subject: RE: [OPSAWG]draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang: 9105bis vs. augments
9105
Hi Benoît, all,
This was added during the IESG review in -11:
https://author-tools.ietf.org/iddiff?url1=draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-10&url2=draft-ietf-opsawg-tacacs-yang-11&difftype=--html
Unless I'm mistaken, the main concern was rooted in the status of 8907:
Publishing a PS for an Info spec with known security vulnerabilities. The
authors may have more context to share.
Cheers,
Med
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De : Benoit Claise <benoit.cla...@huawei.com><mailto:benoit.cla...@huawei.com>
Envoyé : jeudi 21
novembre 2024 11:43 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed INNOV/NET
<mohamed.boucad...@orange.com><mailto:mohamed.boucad...@orange.com>;
opsawg@ietf.org<mailto:opsawg@ietf.org>; Wubo (lana)
<lana.w...@huawei.com><mailto:lana.w...@huawei.com>;
zhengguangy...@huawei.com<mailto:zhengguangy...@huawei.com>;
wangzi...@huawei.com<mailto:wangzi...@huawei.com> Objet : Re:
[OPSAWG]draft-ietf-opsawg-secure-tacacs-yang: 9105bis vs. augments
9105
Hi RFC 9105 authors, Med,
Do you have some background regarding the reasoning behind this
unusual warning in the abstract?
RFC 9105 authors,
Can you share your views regarding a RFC9105bis or continue with this
draft?
Regards, Benoit
On 11/6/2024 6:30 PM,
mohamed.boucad...@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucad...@orange.com> wrote:
Hi all,
This point is recorded in the draft for discussion, hence this
thread.
The abstract of 9105 includes an unusual warning with normative
language in the abstract:
This document defines a Terminal Access Controller Access-
Control
System Plus (TACACS+) client YANG module that augments the
System
Management data model, defined in RFC 7317, to allow
devices to make
use of TACACS+ servers for centralized Authentication,
Authorization,
and Accounting (AAA). Though being a standard module, this
module
does not endorse the security mechanisms of the TACACS+
protocol (RFC
8907), and TACACS+ MUST be used within a secure deployment.
My preference is to go for a bis to cleanup things and remove
that note.
Please share your thoughts/preference.
Cheers,
Med
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