Dear Ops and Management Area WG,

There have been a number of great suggestions on where to post this document 
(Thanks Stefan!).   I'm now emailing [email protected] and cc'ing 
[email protected].  

The draft is posted here... 
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-massameno-radius-lb-00

Do I need an official IETF sponsor?  Would it help to try and get a vendor 
interested in implementing the protocol?  Cisco is our primary vendor at Yale 
University.  I was wondering if there is anyone on either of these working 
groups that communicates with Cisco people on a regular basis?

Thank you for your help.

--Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Winter <[email protected]> 
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 01:52
To: Joe Clarke (jclarke) <[email protected]>; Massameno, Dan 
<[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]; Benjamin Kaduk <[email protected]>; Roman Danyliw 
<[email protected]>; Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[email protected]>; OpsAWG-Chairs 
<[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: RADIUS Extension, Getting Started

Hello Joe,


thanks for reaching out. RADEXT is dormant since a number of years already. I'm 
afraid if you were to send the document that way, you would get little to no 
review.


I think the best way forward is to take this to OPSAWG and send a mail to 
radext about the draft just in case.


Greetings,


Stefan Winter


Am 30.06.20 um 17:21 schrieb Joe Clarke (jclarke):
> Thanks, Dan.  I’m also copying the radext-chairs to get their perspective on 
> this.
>
> Joe
>
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 11:03, Massameno, Dan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Warren,
>>
>> I have the RADIUS extension draft now posted:
>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftoo
>> ls.ietf.org%2Fhtml%2Fdraft-massameno-radius-lb-00&amp;data=02%7C01%7C
>> dan.massameno%40yale.edu%7Cc0b3c01a3a9d44d004c308d81f152ef2%7Cdd8cbeb
>> b21394df8b4114e3e87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637293523139392341&amp;sdata=7dOp
>> ZmU5Xsj2tusf2Fiukqv1oxd2b8uL4Po%2BI04hw%2BE%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>
>> Abstract
>>
>>   This document describes a method for a Network Access Server (NAS) to
>>   dynamically discover all available RADIUS servers.  It defines a new
>>   message type within the STATUS-SERVER message, which is requested by
>>   the NAS and provided by the RADIUS server.  The NAS is then able to
>>   load balance its RADIUS messages across multiple RADIUS servers based
>>   on priority and weight supplied by the initial server.
>>
>> Base on the draft do you have a better idea on if this should be posed into 
>> RADEXT or OPSAWG?  I must admit I am not familiar with either of these 
>> groups.
>>
>> Thank you for your help.
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Massameno, Dan
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:56
>> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[email protected]>
>> Cc: Benjamin Kaduk <[email protected]>; Roman Danyliw <[email protected]>; 
>> OpsAWG-Chairs <[email protected]>; Warren Kumari 
>> <[email protected]>
>> Subject: RE: RADIUS Extension, Getting Started
>>
>> Rob,
>> Thank you and the extended team for all your help.  I have uploaded 
>> draft-massameno-radius-lb to the I-D Submission system.  Also attached is 
>> the PDF version.
>>
>> I'm very much interested in seeing how the process goes from here.  Please 
>> let me know how I may be of assistance.
>>
>> --Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Warren Kumari <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 18:00
>> To: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[email protected]>
>> Cc: Benjamin Kaduk <[email protected]>; Massameno, Dan 
>> <[email protected]>; Roman Danyliw <[email protected]>; OpsAWG-Chairs 
>> <[email protected]>
>> Subject: Re: RADIUS Extension, Getting Started
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 1:06 PM Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[email protected]> 
>> wrote:
>>> Hi Ben,
>>>
>>> Good catch re Radext, copying Warren.  Warren, the question is whether 
>>> RADEXT is still active and taking new work, or whether it should go to 
>>> OPSAWG instead?  I have a slight concern whether we will get enough 
>>> interest for this work in OPSAWG ...
>> Without knowing a bunch more about the draft I don't really think that this 
>> is a question that I can usefully weigh in on.
>>
>> If it is an extension to RADIUS/is heavily RADIUS focused, then RADEXT is 
>> probably the right place -- but, it could always be aimed at RADEXT (put 
>> -radext- in the draft name), but we can try and stir up some interest in 
>> OPSAWG. If it turns out that it is RADIUS related, and RADEXT doesn't want 
>> to pick it up and run with it, perhaps that's a strong signal that RADEXT 
>> should be closed...?
>>
>> W
>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Rob
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Benjamin Kaduk <[email protected]>
>>>> Sent: 21 June 2020 03:42
>>>> To: Massameno, Dan <[email protected]>
>>>> Cc: Rob Wilton (rwilton) <[email protected]>; Roman Danyliw 
>>>> <[email protected]>; OpsAWG-Chairs <[email protected]>
>>>> Subject: Re: RADIUS Extension, Getting Started
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jun 19, 2020 at 12:58:12PM +0000, Massameno, Dan wrote:
>>>>> Rob,
>>>>> This sounds great.  With the links provided by Roman I am 
>>>>> reviewing the
>>>> literature to make sure my draft has everything it needs to start 
>>>> the process.  I found references to xml2rfc and kramdown, which I 
>>>> also want to run it through.
>>>>> Thank you for your help.  I would be happy to have someone take a 
>>>>> look
>>>> before it's posted.  As soon as I have it formatted correctly I'll 
>>>> send it over.  Is there someone in particular I should send it to?
>>>>
>>>> I would recommend uploading the internet-draft to the IETF 
>>>> datatracker at 
>>>> https://nam05.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fd
>>>> a 
>>>> tatracker.ietf.org%2Fsubmit%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cdan.massameno%40y
>>>> a 
>>>> le.edu%7C112cacc6da6a40e6560708d816f7c0b9%7Cdd8cbebb21394df8b4114e3
>>>> e
>>>> 87abeb5c%7C0%7C0%7C637284600637313249&amp;sdata=EkkSwHAB%2BAV3XQDz%2FsYJMsBLiKymz6n4BROVWGbg7Yg%3D&amp;reserved=0
>>>>  and then sending a link to that document to both [email protected] 
>>>> and [email protected].  It's also okay to skip the first part and 
>>>> send the document itself to those addresses.
>>>>
>>>> The radext (RADIUS Extensions) working group is not very active at 
>>>> the moment, which is why I agree with the others' recommendations 
>>>> to ask the OPSAWG working group chairs' advice as well.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>
>>>> Ben
>>
>>
>> --
>> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in 
>> the first place.
>> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing 
>> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of 
>> pants.
>>   ---maf
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