Hi Lincoln,

I am trying to book one pod with 1 host for now – just could not get passed the 
step of defining the network (see my other email).
Once I’ll get it up and running I’ll be able to check the NIC.
Would be great to have examples of pods/topologies, how they were configured 
(with UI snapshots or REST – whatever method was used).

Thanks

Alec



From: Lincoln Lavoie <[email protected]>
Date: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 at 12:44 PM
To: "Alec Hothan (ahothan)" <[email protected]>
Cc: Trevor Bramwell <[email protected]>, "opnfv-tech-dis." 
<[email protected]>
Subject: [SUSPICIOUS] Re: [SUSPICIOUS] Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Infra 
Evolution: Labs

Hi Alec,

I can answer some of the questions, Parker can confirm detailed specifics.

There are two types of servers available in the UNH-IOL LaaS, Gigabyte and HPE. 
 The Gigabyte servers have 4x 10G interfaces, the HPE servers have 6x 10G 
interfaces.

There are a couple of different linux distro images that can be selected / 
flashed onto each server.  Once flashed, you have root access and can make the 
changes you want to the servers kernel options, etc.

One thing to note, right now, only PTL (project leaders) from an LFN project 
(with a proper info file) can book multiple servers (i.e. a pod with N >= 2).

Cheers,
Lincoln



On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 8:21 PM Alec Hothan (ahothan) 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Is there a pointer to the OPNFV LaaS beta? I’d like to check the L2 
configuration API along with bare metal inventory (more specifically what NIC 
cards and how many ports are available) + linux boot configurability (I need to 
check things like uio driver and huge pages can be configured). I will need all 
of these to be able to run nfvbench on LaaS.
Thanks

  Alec


From: Lincoln Lavoie <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Friday, December 7, 2018 at 10:31 AM
To: "Alec Hothan (ahothan)" <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: Trevor Bramwell 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>, 
"opnfv-tech-dis." 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [SUSPICIOUS] Re: [opnfv-tech-discuss] Infra Evolution: Labs

Hi All,

Responses in line below as well.

Cheers,
Lincoln

On Fri, Dec 7, 2018 at 12:33 PM Alec via 
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Hi Trevor,

Inline…





From: 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> 
on behalf of Trevor Bramwell 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Date: Thursday, December 6, 2018 at 4:47 PM
To: 
"[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>" 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Subject: [SUSPICIOUS] [opnfv-tech-discuss] Infra Evolution: Labs

Hi all,

The TSC tasked the Infra-WG to create a proposal for evolving the
infrastructure of OPNFV, but given the low attendance to the Infra-WG
calls I thought it best to bring this discussion to the mailing list so
we can benefit from the wider community's experience and knowledge.

To keep the discussion focused, I'd like to just look at Labs and how we
can evolve the infrastructure there, and I'll follow up with thoughts on
CI, code, and artifacts, after we've reached some consensus since there's a
bit more interdependence with those components along with some
complexity. I've collected some of the options here[1].

What we need to find (and anyone feel free to jump in if I've
misunderstood the ask) is a scalable solution for bringing up new PODs
for CI that doesn't require us hosting or purchasing more dedicated
hardware.


Now of the top cloud providers: AWS, Google Compute, Azure, only AWS
provides a hardware-as-a-service offering[2]. The others recently
enabled nested virtualization on some instance types, which may work for
us verifying virtual deployments (with performance trade-offs
obviously), but don't help when we want to verify against networking
hardware.

That’s right.

This is why I started the discussion with Packet.net. They appear to be
the only provider that not only manages hardware for you, but provides
an API for accessing and provisioning it.

I agree with you regarding the convenience of a service like 
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 They are showing that it is possible to have automated bare metal deployments 
that can be as easy to operate as fully virtualized ones.
Packet.net provides some very basic APIs to control the switches that run the 
virtual network attached to their blades and is currently considering 
extensions to their APIs to support more complex bare metal deployments (e.g. 
openstack or k8s) based on input from a CNCF demo project which uses NFVbench.

It would be great if OPNFV labs can have a unified programmable L2 network that 
works on multiple pods – similar to what 
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 provides: having a way to program the switches associated to a pod deployment 
without having to open a ticket and wait for someone to go configure the 
switches which is just too slow.

LYL > This is basically what the LaaS project is providing in beta right now, 
where PTLs can book multiple bare metal servers and configure the L2 network 
between those servers.  Each server has mutliple NICs / ports, providing for a 
fair amount of flexibility.




What I'd like to know is if there are other options out there for
using/paying for hardware like this? Perhaps one of the other cloud
providers (IBM, HP, etc) have a service we haven't heard of?
Or are there other ideas of how we can manage this need?
‘
The lack of consistency across OPNFV pods (different switches, different way to 
connect them to servers, different NICs…) makes the development of a unified 
programmable L2 service very difficult and likely too costly.
I do not think there is any vendor today that provides a service similar to 
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 that would work on any variety of hardware – even 
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 can only achieve this by streamlining their hardware.


LYL > Completely agree on the huge amount of hardware (i.e. different switches) 
and their different configuration interface (i.e. CLI, Openflow, VxLAN, other). 
 What we started with in the LaaS project was to construct the information 
model for the "Pod" that gets constructed from the dashboard, when the user 
creates the pod.  From there, it goes through a couple of translations, where 
the the networking side becomes more and more specific to the actual lab and 
hardware.  Think of that in terms of, selection of available VLANs, switch 
ports, etc.

What could be reused here is all of the information models used by the 
dashboard, and possibly some of the lab translation code.  This could help to 
simplify some of the work an individual hosting a lab down to the creation of 
"drivers" for their specific physical layer topology and their specific 
switching hardware (i.e. a CLI type driver driver, Openflow configuration, 
etc.).


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 (I guess for cost reasons), the only practical option is to simplify the 
underpinning of the pods that make up OPNFV labs: standardize on very few 
switches, standardize on how the switches are connected to the servers then 
adjust the deployers to install on such HW base. This is basically trying to 
replicate what 
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 is doing. OPNFV can start this effort on one specific pod – pick one that is 
the most versatile/consistently configured/wrired (I think the Intel lap in 
Portland would be a good candidate), then hope to support additional pods with 
different HW variations later. It is clearly always good to support a variety 
of HW platforms but it comes at a cost.

LYL > I think limiting the selection of hardware, will in the long run, limit 
the value of the systems / labs, because it could eliminating things like 
hardware acceleration, etc. It would basically reduce everything to the common 
denominator



I’m not too familiar with the details of the PDF project but I think this goes 
beyond what PDF covers.

LYL > Yes, our information model had to include more than the PDF.  But, you 
can generate the PDF directly from that information, which is also very useful. 
 Especially if all of the installers could use that PDF in their process (they 
don't all use it today).  Similarly, additional standardization on the other 
information required for a deployment, i.e. scenarios / IDF will also make that 
process easier to support between different labs / "pods".



I would also like to point out that such programmable L2 service can be used by 
any cloud OS deployment (openstack or k8s or even plain vswitch), any deployer 
and any vswitch technology, can also work for SR-IOV and will benefit any 
project that involves any form of data plane: VSPERF, NFVbench…
The lack of a programmable pod-level L2 infrastructure is one of the most 
glaring gap in the OPNFV infra to my point of view.
Having an OPNFV reference SW platform would be greatly enhanced by specifying 
clearly the underlying L2 infrastructure and being able to configure the L2 
plane from CI.

LYL > As long as, we're not trying to allow the Cloud OS to make changes to the 
L2 hardware, which might be supporting multiple Cloud OS instances running in 
parallel.  Otherwise, you run into a premissions / ACL type nightmare within 
the lab.  We are a ways away from that capability, in terms of a standardized 
approach, that could work between labs, with multiple Clouds OS instances 
installed in parallel, etc.


Regards,

   Alec


Happy to hear any and all input!

Regards,
Trevor Bramwell

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Scientia sine ars est vacua! -- Science without art is empty.

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Scientia sine ars est vacua! -- Science without art is empty.

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