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--- Begin Message ---On Feb 17, 2025, at 7:37 AM, Paul Spooren <m...@aparcar.org> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I’m writing here since the topic is not only administratively but concerns > developers, too. > I’m not an official developer, but I have contributed a few pull requests over time. I am a frequent contributor to https://wikidevi.wi-cat.ru/ which is the DokuWiki referenced in the OpenWrt ToH. I’ve also been trying to keep the ToH up to date over the past year updating the versions after a new release and adding newly supported devices to the ToH. Since the 24.10.0 release I’ve noticed a significant lag when posting updates to the pages! > Historically openwrt.org was managed by two kind administrators which (to my > knowledge) moved on to other things. The website is based on DokuWiki and is > now in a semi ideal state, a bunch of AI scraper bots slowing it down > further. Some new admins stepped up and help to maintain things (i.e. > blocking bots), however things are not great. > In the meantime there has appeared to be little to no maintenance of the tables used by drop-downs in the pages for adding to the ToH. And at some point many of the entries that had been in those tables completely disappeared! > Again historically, the wiki kept track of packages[1] and devices[2] with > the help of rather complex shell scripts, now outdated but a feast for > scrapping bots. At some point in the past, Jo and me converted the table of > hardware (aka supported devices) into a JavaScript generated overview, > massively lowering the load on the website. Nonetheless, if you look hard > enough[3], there are still many linked pages using the legacy system and > thereby overloading the server. While writing this email, I realize that all > “package” views[4] are legacy and again, very heavy on the server. > > I’m suggesting the following immediate changes which will take some > time/effort but hopefully result in something with low maintenance in the > future: > > * Remove all “packages” form the Wiki, this results in endless amounts of > outdated pages, last pages are for 21.02 which is EOL > * Spin up some scripts which parses the “newly” introduced index.json file[5] > and render a static page every 24 hours, adopt what Alpine does[6], something > I tested last year[7] or offer a format supported by Repology[12] and let > them do the rendering > * Drop all “table of hardware” views, deploy and link the much better > overview from @soif[8] > How do these changes affect the entry of newly supported devices? > These steps should remove the endless clobber of pages likely no human > actually uses due to endless loading times. If there are no voices against > these steps, I’d setup toh.openwrt.org and change. > I’ve volunteered in the past to assist in administering the pages. I believe any changes would likely be positive. I would like to stress that having a couple of administrators that participate in the forum and could be contacted there would be a bonus. > If we feel fancy, we could move on to a more modern appearance overall. We > could render devices pages like LineageOS does, I did some adoption loooong > time ago[9]. Combined with the work of @soif this could This looks very good, but I’d be interested in learning how the links to the images are kept up to date. > become quite handy. Feeling even fancies, we could move to a more modern wiki > software[10] or have technical documentation rendered[11] based on a Git > repository. > Looking forward to your thoughts. > > Best, > Paul > > [1]: https://openwrt.org/packages/start > [2]: https://openwrt.org/supported_devices > [3]: https://openwrt.org/toh/views/toh_admin_available > [4]: https://openwrt.org/packages/table/start > [5]: > https://downloads.openwrt.org/releases/24.10.0/packages/aarch64_cortex-a53/base/index.json > [6]: https://pkgs.alpinelinux.org/packages > [7]: https://github.com/aparcar/pkgbrowser > [8]: https://soif.github.io/OpenWrtTOH/ > [9]: https://aparcar.org/openwrt-devices/devices/tp-link_tl-wdr4300/ > [10]: https://docmost.com/ > [11]: https://docusaurus.io/ > [12]: https://repology.org/repository/openwrt_23_05_x86_64 Let me know if there is any way I could be of assistance in whatever path you take to improve the wiki. Ray Ray Knight
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