Hello Petr and all Thanks for the detailed update about the meeting in Hamburg.
I wanted to make a some comments about a few points I consider important for the project as someone that has been here for a while. - Release Manager - I fully support it. It is something I suggested a while ago in the form of an Elected Project Leader similar to Debian, but some people confused with an autocrat who would assign tasks and ask people all the time and didn't like at the time (and which my message had nothing to do with it obviously). I consider not only necessary but essential having an Release Manager responsible for gather all necessary things together, organize dates in advance, engage the right people, etc, in order for a new release to come up in a organized way and within defined deadlines. It is just that, nothing else. Whenever there is some name already highlighted a motion should be moved to ratify him/her and move on. While that is still not possible having 3 people who can create releases is prudent. - Future Releases every 6 months - Seems a reasonable time to have this commitment. Even if it happens to be yearly as long there are regular point releases. - Number of Releases to be Supported - 2 looks fine to me, but don't think it should be something 'written on stone'. Depending on the situation it could be 3 temporarily upon developers decision when it justifies to extend a previous version due justified circumstances (must think what is most useful for users in general as well). - 4/32MB devices - Good to see there was a discussion around it. These devices are still a reality, quite usable, that can't be ignored and having them supported for a little while is something good for the whole ecosystem. Just saying "buy a new 8/64MB device and throw the other away" isn't something practical and both sides of the coin should be well reasoned. Good decision. - New people, Contributions and Voting Access - Agree that commit access and voting should not be binding as in early days. New rules and roles should be agreed and vote restricted to those not only with frequent contributions but also with a proven past history of contribution to the project and that obviously represents majority of OpenWrt workforce. Having some way to thank contributions is certainly something positive and welcome. Forum/Wiki maintainers - Perhaps there can be a kind of committee of people. I personally fell the Wiki constantly demands some love to be kept updated and and with the right information for people seeking. These people could more easily engage developers and contributors in general and to have any important information about a device or architecture updated as soon at that it is available in the code. Also getting used to update wiki pages beforehand or right after a commit is something in my view very positive and that should be encouraged. Best regards Fernando On 10/07/2019 07:07, Petr Štetiar wrote: tl;dr: 19.07 was branched, ar71xx is gone, we got some beers & pizzas Hi all, I'm writing on the behalf of OpenWrt team members attending the OpenWrt meeting in Hamburg, which has happened a month ago, so it's about time to publish some outcome :-) Most of us met in the late afternoon on Sunday 9th June in a nice local pub with a great beer selection, together with the Debian folks attending MiniDebConfHamburg[1]. On Monday 10th June, we started right in the morning in one of the conference rooms, where we sat down in the circle, introduced ourselves and provided answers to the "What brings you here?" question. Shortly after this everyone got marker and paper cards, writing down arbitrary number of topics he would like to discuss during the following days. Then we put those cards on two boards, merging similar topics together where applicable. As you can imagine, this activity has produced a lot of topics, so we needed to prioritize, so each attendee got five pins, each of those pins represented one vote, topics with most pins (votes) were discussed first (topics with no votes were discussed with a soft timer, 6 minutes dedicated to each topic, where time was extended as needed). With much discussion, we wrote down all the topics, ideas, TODOs to the ChaosPad. After the meeting, we cleaned it up, transfered to our wiki[2], reordered, added some photos and more details. In the evening we went to some local place with a good pizza, where we spontaneously decided that it's just right time to branch 19.01 finally (just about 6 months later, yeah!) and lynxis created that branch as openwrt-19.07 around 21:33 CEST. You can find a photo of this branching event at the meeting's wiki[2] page as well. Then we moved back to Dock Europe[3] venue, where we continued discussing some of the topics till the early morning. On Tuesday 11th June we got a visit from h01ger, Debian developer and one of the developers behind reproducible-builds.org so we've used this opportunity to talk about improvements in reproducible OpenWrt. As we were discussing possible migration from GitHub to GitLab just a few moments ago, and as we knew, that Debian has switched to GitLab recently, we talked with h01ger little bit about Debian's experience with GitLab as well and h01ger has provided mostly positive feedback. Some of the topics were discussed till the early morning again. Activity during the Wednesday 12th June was similar to the previous days, we were discussing remaining topics, diving back into the details of previous topics, but finally we had first live demonstration, where lynxis presented us with his work-in-progress of automated testing on real hardware. To sum it up, it was a time very well spent, we were able to touch a lot of topics in those 3 days, which would otherwise take as ages to process and we hope, that if we manage to tackle at least 33% of those topics it could translate in a huge progress forward for the project as a whole. We're looking forward to our next meeting, where we hope, that we'll actually finally hack on some topics together instead of "just" discussing them. 1. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianEvents/de/2019/MiniDebConfHamburg 2. https://openwrt.org/meetings/hamburg2019/start 3. https://www.dock-europe.net/ Cheers, OpenWrt team members attending Hamburg meeting _______________________________________________ openwrt-adm mailing listopenwrt-adm@lists.openwrt.orghttp://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-adm
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