On 25 May 2016 at 07:56, Daniel Dickinson <open...@daniel.thecshore.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 18:18 -0400, Daniel Dickinson wrote:
>> On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 23:57 +0200, Zoltan HERPAI wrote:
>> [snip]
>> > Hi,
>> > >> I would like to see a reunion of LEDE and OpenWrt, so do any of the non
>> > >> LEDE but OpenWrt core devs have any problems with the LEDE rules and so
>> > >> on?
>> > >>
>> > > This is my personal opinion and this was not somehow internally planned
>> > > with other LEDE people.
>> >
>> > If I start a discussion about my employer-related topics along a beer with
>> > a couple friends, that's a private discussion with personal opinions. If I
>> > do it on any public channel, I can be felt to represent my employer on
>> > that topic. You seem to be representing LEDE.
>> >
>>
>> That's the kind of bollock that damages the ability of employees to have
>> a right to free speech which disagrees with (or is at least
>> independently developed of) their employers views.
>>
>> As long it as someone makes it clear when they are speaking for
>> themselves and not as a representative of the group, it should be
>> accepted on that basis, unless if there is a reason to believe otherwise
>> *other than* just that the person happens to be a member of some group.
>>
>> It's kind of like saying a black who says he or she speaking for himself
>> speaks for all blacks, just because it's known he or she is black and he
>> speaks on a public channel.
>>
>> It's bollocks. People are indivduals and have a right be such, and to
>> have, and be seen to have, views independent of the various groups the
>> are members of.
>>
>> I certainly don't speak for all white male IT professionals from North
>> America.
>>
>
> On that note, after the fact I noticed your .hu and am wondering if that
> this kind of thinking is a difference in the culture you're part of vs.
> the western cultures Hauke and I are part of?
>
> In much of 'the west' there is an expectation that individuals are free
> to speak for themselves (and be seen to be doing such) regardless of
> what group (although various corporations and governments sometimes try
> and quash such things, which most here consider a harm not a good) they
> belong to.
>
> Certainly Hauke believes he is free to speak for himself and has a
> reasonable expectation that people will accept that his opinion is his
> alone, unless he explicitly is speaking on behalf of some organization,
> like LEDE.
>
> To a certain extent you yourself acknowledge individual opinion (with
> you over a beer comment), but you seem to think that such a view of
> individual opinions are not as valid in the public domain, whereas our
> expectation is that it is just as valid in the public domain as in the
> private.
>
> Regards,
>
> Daniel
Let's just save such non-sense sense of culture and expectation
discussion in another place.
yousong
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