Mirko,

> OpenWrt is for...
> OpenWrt is not for...

OK perfect answer, thanks a lot.
The reason I wanted to have it built was that I thought it's a natural place.
I build the image, then I do what? I flash it... So I thought it would be cool
if the flashing software would somehow fall out as well.

But the way you describe the OpenWrt mission to me as just building the image
makes perfect sense to me.
Let's leave the flashing tools out, xburst-tools must come from elsewhere.

Thanks,
Wolfgang

On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:10:52PM +0200, Mirko Vogt wrote:
> Why - btw - do you want to have the xburst-tools packaged in OpenWrt?
> 
> Looking at the "Openmoko Neo <-> OpenWrt" target, there's also no
> dfu-util packaged (ok, there is - but because some people wanted use
> their routers to flash their Openmoko Neo - it's not compiled for the
> host system).
> 
> The way I see it (maybe it's only me :)), these are two different
> things:
> 
> OpenWrt is for...
> ...building software for the target (including host tools which are
> needed to get other software compiled for the target), which finally
> results in a target-spedific (bootloader/)kernel/rootfs
> 
> OpenWrt is not for...
> ...building software for the host which is then not used by OpenWrt but
> used manually (e.g. "usbboot" of xburst-tools to flash the device).
> 
> But maybe this general question was already raised / answered - I'm not
> sure how this is handled for other targets which need to be
> flashed/programmed in a special way.
> 
> Greets,
> 
> mirko
> 
> On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 11:33 +0200, Mirko Vogt wrote:
> > Hey Wolfgang,
> > 
> > On Sat, 2009-07-25 at 14:01 +0800, Wolfgang Spraul wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I am working on adding support for our upcoming 'XBurst' board into
> > > OpenWrt [1]. Sources are here [2].
> > > 
> > > In addition to all the stuff that targets the device, I have a reflashing 
> > > tool
> > > running on the host. This tool can boot the device over USB and reflash 
> > > it.
> > > It's called 'usbboot' and part of a package called 'xburst-tools' (the CPU
> > > is an XBurst (MIPS-compatible) CPU).
> > > Sources for that package are here [3].
> > > 
> > > Now, in the OpenWrt there is a directory 'tools' at the root level. 
> > > Should I
> > > create a subfolder (+Makefile etc) for xburst-tools inside there?
> > > However, the tool depends on my target.
> > > Is the 'tools' directory only for target-independent host tools?
> > 
> > The tools/-directory contains OpenWrt-Makefiles for essential tools
> > which are needed on the host system to get an OpenWrt build done, so -
> > yes - they're target-independent.
> > In my view tools/ would not be the appropriate location to store the
> > xburst tools.
> > 
> > This could be either done within the target-directory (as it is done for
> > e.g. u-boot) or the "usual" way of building specific host-tools in
> > OpenWrt (like it's done for e.g. "bjam").
> > The latter way is usually used for building host-tools that are needed
> > by other packages as dependencies (e.g. "bjam" is needed as host-tool
> > for getting "boost" compiled) so it's just used within the OpenWrt build
> > process - however the host-tools remains in staging_dir/host/bin/ and
> > can still be used afterwards.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Another possible place would be in target/linux/xburst. But I see no host
> > > tools in any of the other targets, so I'm not sure it's a good place.
> > Maybe xburst tools can be splitted in:
> >  - xburst-staging-binaries (compiled for the target)
> >  - usbboot (compiled for the host)
> > > 
> > > Any help appreciated, thanks!
> > > Wolfgang
> > mirko :)
> > > 
> > > [1] http://www.qi-hardware.com/products/ben-nanonote/
> > > [2] http://github.com/lindnermarek/openwrt-x-burst
> > > [3] http://github.com/xiangfu/xburst-tools
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