Hi All,

    Thanks for all your comments so far.

    Of interest, elinux.org has some "real" data about very small
linux versions.

    From what I see it is VERY hard to determine what RAM is really needed
by the kernel??!! 

    So any cleanup and shrink effort could be quite a large effort?

    That said, we REALLY need to have available a BARE MINIMUM kernel that
is clearly documented so the MINIMUM requirements to run any sort of linux
can be easily determined. I am NOT planning to become the focal point
person for such an effort, but it is probably worth being said :).

    Further comments welcome.

    warm regards,
    John


On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, bifferos wrote:

> --- On Sun, 12/10/08, RHS Linux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > From: RHS Linux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] Smallest Linux
> > To: "OpenWrt Development List" <openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org>
> > Date: Sunday, 12 October, 2008, 11:26 AM
> > 
> >     I am very much looking forward to anyone's further
> > comments and
> > suggestions.
> 
> I can only suggest looking at NetBSD instead if memory and flash is
> really tight.  You'll do better than with OpenWrt (if you leave aside
> the lack of tiny dhcp client daemon and 'micro' versions of other 
> useful utils), but you still won't get anywhere near what you want.  
> Here's some info on running NetBSD on an Edimax router:
> http://linux-adm5120.sourceforge.net/netbsd/
> 
> Bear in mind that LwIP (http://www.sics.se/~adam/lwip/), a 
> tcp/ip stack for embedded systems itself takes up 'tens of kilobytes'
> of RAM, so how you do with 50KB will depend on whether you need
> tcp/ip or not presumably.
> 
> Also, the discussion on the OpenWrt list focuses around a complete
> OpenWrt installation, whereas you can just use a kernel.  There was 
> an interesting article in Linux Journal explaining how to write
> an ftp client as a kernel module:  
> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7660
> 
> One could simply write one's application by inserting one's own 
> code into the C entry point in the kernel, but I think there
> would need to be a lot of money in it to make it worthwhile.
> 
> 
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