On 04/12/16 23:20, David Sommerseth wrote: > On 04/12/16 15:42, Илья Шипицин wrote: >> >> >> 2016-12-03 23:48 GMT+05:00 Selva Nair <selva.n...@gmail.com >> <mailto:selva.n...@gmail.com>>: >> >> Hi, >> >> In the installer, interactive service is tied to the installation of >> automatic service (openvpnserv2) --- if you opt not to install >> openvpnserv2, interactive service is also disabled. You can install >> openvpnserv2 without installing the interactive service, but not the >> other way. >> >> I think we should consider interactive service as a requirement for >> properly running the GUI (note that we do not set the GUI to request >> admin rights anymore). So I suggest: >> >> 1. Always install the interactive service along with openvpn core >> (and set up the required HKLM registry entries) OR at least >> automatically select interactive service if the GUI is selected. >> >> I prefer the first option as that service doesn't do anything unless >> a client connects to its service pipe, and has some uses even >> without the GUI. >> >> 2. Make it possible to uncheck automatic service (openvpnserv2) >> without unchecking interactive service. >> >> A vast majority of installations would need only openvpn core, the >> GUI and interactive service. Most users will not use the automatic >> service (openvpnserv2) at all. Given that the latter requires .NET >> 4.0 which means an additional 50MB+ download for some, a very slow >> installation and possible restarts, forcing it on to get interactive >> service is not good. >> >> That said we could still leave openvpnserv2 selected by default as >> changing that at this stage may be unwise. Hopefully many Windows >> users may already have .NET 4.0 or higher installed. >> >> >> thank you very much for your efforts. >> >> however, it seems to get more and more complicated ("what if we install >> new version after old version ... and checkboxes are set in different >> ways..."). >> >> what do I suggest, is to simplify things, i.e. >> >> 1) add "send installation statistics anonymousely" (we will see checkboxes) > > No. Do not ever add such statistics. Many OpenVPN users are privacy > aware and they will make a lot of noise if we ever do something like this. > > Further do not add additional check-boxes. Give users as few options as > possible, presume users are stupid (and I include everyone in this > statement, even including sys-admins and developers) and they will do > random choices on such options based on their mood of the day. We who > develop OpenVPN have the best condition in most cases to recommend sane > defaults, provide that and ignore the rest. If we are wrong on these > defaults, we will get to know it soon enough and can re-evaluate the > defaults and fix it for everyone. > > And rather put advanced tweaks behind some more hidden command line > switches/options for those users who truly understands these details. > > Seriously, just start to ponder on the success of iOS over many other > mobile OSes. They provide as few options as possible (but no less!). > That is, the bare minimum to provide a simple and great user experience > for even inexperienced users. Yes, advanced users may hate it, but the > majority of users love this simplicity - even technical ones. > >> 2) run some kind of questionary > > Such questionnaire will only be valuable if those who fill it out have > the needed experience and/or understanding to give educated answers. > For the rest it will just be a mixture of "this sounds clever", "this > sounds cool" and "No way, I will hate that". > > > Be brave, settle for some really reasonable defaults we would prefer. > Ship it and see how it is perceived. If there are issues, we can respin > a new installer with modified defaults regardless of the core OpenVPN > release schedule. > > >
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