Sorry about the logs, I'll update the wiki.  My cronjob was putting the files 
in the wrong location.  It's better, so I'm going to leave them where they are 
now.

#openvpn: http://secure-computing.net/logs/openvpn.log
#openvpn-devel: http://secure-computing.net/logs/openvpn-devel.log

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Eric F Crist



On May 1, 2014, at 17:37:04, David Sommerseth <openvpn.l...@topphemmelig.net> 
wrote:

> On 01/05/14 21:15, Gert Doering wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> On Thu, May 01, 2014 at 08:06:46PM +0300, Samuli Seppänen wrote:
>>> A few notes about where we get our patches from... in the documentation
>>> we do say that "post the patch to openvpn-devel list". That was a
>>> decision that was reached some years ago. However, we, in practice, do
>>> accept patches from Trac, GitHub and IRC. We should probably change the
>>> documentation to reflect this.
>> 
>> Actually, openvpn-devel *is* the way, with trac being second (due to
>> the way we reference every commit to a mail on openvpn-devel, trac
>> patches basically need someone re-sending them to the list).
>> 
>> Github and IRC are *not* a welcome input for patches, because it doesn't
>> match the agreed-upon workflow ("ack or nack on the list, reference that
>> message in the commit"), and doesn't have the benefit of trac to be
>> tied to a ticket that can be set to a given milestone, etc.
>> 
>> IRC is very welcome to bounce around ideas ("should we fix this?  if
>> yes, in which way?") but it needs to result in a patch being sent to
>> openvpn-devel.  Actually, this is often the reason why some patches get
>> ACKed much quicker than others - they have been discussed, the reason
>> for the change is well-understood, and for complicated stuff, the details
>> how to tackle it might have been agreed-upon beforehand.
> 
> +1
> 
> [...snip...]
> 
> On 01/05/14 19:06, Samuli Seppänen wrote:
>> Lack of developer time is the biggest issue for us, and that lack of
>> time results in unnecessary work having to be done later; like having
>> and maintaining a patch tracking page instead of just handling the
>> patches immediately as they are sent to the list.
> 
> +1 ... For some more info to Timothe, I used to be quite active for a long 
> time.  But I almost "hit the wall" late last summer, and had to pull the 
> emergency break and reduce my workload.  I simply did too much and OpenVPN 
> was 
> one of the things which took quite some time for me.  I've not resigned 
> completely, but I'm incredibly grateful Gert was able to pick up where I had 
> to drop.  Gert has done an amazing job, far better than I could ever do!  
> I'll 
> come back somehow, and I even have a few patches on the ML which lingers too 
> - 
> but I need to step carefully forward.  But these patches which already are on 
> the ML does need help to get tested and reviewed.
> 
> We're really lacking developer time.  And developers often needs to also try 
> to keep track of what happens a few places too.  So this is a bad circle, as 
> to where to put the efforts today.  So I'm open to discuss a way to move this 
> patch tracking and some of the administrative work "away" from the 
> developers, 
> if anyone is available and have time and energy.  That's not something which 
> requires really deep developer skills, but interest and somewhat knowledge 
> about development is always good.  And it can be a good starting point to get 
> more involved in more core development with time as well, as it's a perfect 
> way to gain more knowledge about OpenVPN and how it works ... And if no-one 
> chimes in, things won't change all too much.
> 
> So the key point is probably: Do you dare to get your hands dirty?  Then 
> there 
> might absolutely be a possibility to join in :)
> 
> 
> -- 
> kind regards,
> 
> David Sommerseth
> 
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