Hi Yang,

it depends on whether your provider network is tagged or untagged. If it is 
untagged (the switch port is an "access"
port) then you don't specify the VLAN ID for the external network (as it will 
get tagged by the switch). If the provider
network is tagged (the switch port is a "trunk" port) then you have to 
configure the VLAN ID because the switch might
refuse the traffic (depending if there is a default VLAN ID defined on the 
switch's port).

Regards,

        Uwe



Am 27.06.2015 um 13:47 schrieb YANG LI:
> Thank you so much, James! This is so helpful. Another confusion I have is 
> about network_vlan_ranges. Is this network
> VLAN id range? If so, does it has to match external network? For example, we 
> only have one external VLAN we can use as
> Our provider network and that VLAN id is 775 (xxx.xxx.xxx.0/26). Should I 
> define network_vlan_ranges as following?
> 
> [ml2]
> type_drivers=vlan
> tenant_network_types = vlan
> mechanism_drivers=openvswitch
> #
> [ml2_type_vlan]
> #thistellsOpenstackthattheinternalname"physnet1"providesthevlanrange100-199
> network_vlan_ranges=physnet1:775
> #
> 
> Thanks,
> Yang
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 26, 2015, at 8:54 AM, "James Denton" <james.den...@rackspace.com 
> <mailto:james.den...@rackspace.com>> wrote:
> 
>> You can absolutely have instances in the same network span different compute 
>> nodes. As an admin, you can run ‘nova
>> show <instanceid>’ and see the host in the output:
>>
>> root@controller01:~# nova show 7bb18175-87da-4d1f-8dca-2ef07fee9d21 | grep 
>> host
>> | OS-EXT-SRV-ATTR:host                 | compute02                           
>>    |
>>
>> That info is not available to non-admin users by default.
>>
>> James 
>>
>>> On Jun 26, 2015, at 7:38 AM, YANG LI <yan...@clemson.edu 
>>> <mailto:yan...@clemson.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks, James for the explanation. it make more sense now. <http://now.it/> 
>>> it is possible that a instances on same
>>> tenant network reside on different compute nodes right? how do I tell which 
>>> compute node a instance is on? 
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Yang
>>>
>>>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 10:27 AM, James Denton <james.den...@rackspace.com 
>>>> <mailto:james.den...@rackspace.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello.
>>>>
>>>>> all three nodes will have eth0 on management/api network. since I am 
>>>>> using ml2 plugin with vlan for tenant network,
>>>>> I think all compute node should have eth1 as the second nic on provider 
>>>>> network. Is this correct?  I understand
>>>>> provider network is for instance to get external access  to internet, but 
>>>>> how is instance live on compute1
>>>>>  communicate with instance live on compute2? are they also go through 
>>>>> provider network?
>>>>
>>>> In short, yes. If you’re connecting instances to vlan “provider” networks, 
>>>> traffic between instances on different
>>>> compute nodes will traverse the “provider bridge”, get tagged out eth1, 
>>>> and hit the physical switching fabric. Your
>>>> external gateway device could also sit in that vlan, and the default route 
>>>> on the instance would direct external
>>>> traffic to that device.
>>>>
>>>> In reality, every network has ‘provider’ attributes that describe the 
>>>> network type, segmentation id, and bridge
>>>> interface (for vlan/flat only). So tenant networks that leverage vlans 
>>>> would have provider attributes set by Neutron
>>>> automatically based on the configuration set in the ML2 config file. If 
>>>> you use Neutron routers that connect to both
>>>> ‘tenant’ vlan-based networks and external ‘provider’ networks, all of that 
>>>> traffic could traverse the same provider
>>>> bridge on the controller/network node, but would be tagged accordingly 
>>>> based on the network (ie. vlan 100 for
>>>> external network, vlan 200 for tenant network).
>>>>
>>>> Hope that’s not too confusing!
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 24, 2015, at 8:54 AM, YANG LI <yan...@clemson.edu 
>>>>> <mailto:yan...@clemson.edu>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am working on install openstack from scratch, but get confused with 
>>>>> network part. I want to have one controller
>>>>> node, two compute nodes.
>>>>>
>>>>> the controller node will only handle following services:
>>>>> glance-api
>>>>> glance-registry
>>>>> keystone
>>>>> nova-api
>>>>> nova-cert
>>>>> nova-conductor
>>>>> nova-consoleauth
>>>>> nova-novncproxy
>>>>> nova-scheduler
>>>>> qpid
>>>>> mysql
>>>>> neutron-server
>>>>>
>>>>> compute nodes will have following services:
>>>>> neutron-dhcp-agent
>>>>> neutron-l3-agent
>>>>> neutron-metadata-agent
>>>>> neutron-openvswitch-agent
>>>>> neutron-ovs-cleanup
>>>>> openvswtich
>>>>> nova-compute
>>>>>
>>>>> all three nodes will have eth0 on management/api network. since I am 
>>>>> using ml2 plugin with vlan for tenant network,
>>>>> I think all compute node should have eth1 as the second nic on provider 
>>>>> network. Is this correct?  I understand
>>>>> provider network is for instance to get external access  to internet, but 
>>>>> how is instance live on compute1
>>>>>  communicate with instance live on compute2? are they also go through 
>>>>> provider network?
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