Great description. Thanks George.

On 28 February 2012 18:03, George Mihaiescu <george.mihaie...@q9.com> wrote:
> When you ask Nova to boot a VM, nova-compute will connect to Glance and "GET" 
> the image file from Glance and save it on the its local filesystem in 
> "/var/lib/nova/instances/_base".
>
> If Glance is set to use Swift as its backend storage, then Glance will get 
> that file from Swift (through the Proxy). If not, then it will stream the 
> file from Glance's filesystem (check the variable "filesystem_store_datadir" 
> in the file "glance-api.conf" to see what Glance is set to use as backend 
> store).
>
> So by default the disk of an instance is basically stored on the local 
> filesystem of the server where the instance is running (in 
> "/var/lib/nova/instances/instance-0000000X/disk"), and it's called ephemeral 
> because when you terminate the instance the entire directory 
> "/var/lib/nova/instances/instance-0000000X" gets deleted and the virtual disk 
> is gone, but the base image in the "_base" directory is not touched.
>
> If the virtual disk is using qcow2 then only the changes that occur from the 
> baseline are captured in the virtual disk, so the disk grows as the instance 
> is changed more. The benefit is that you can have five instances using the 
> same base template without using five times the space on the local filesystem 
> (read http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/qcow-image-format.html for more info 
> about qcow2).
>
> Persistent volumes are virtual disks that you attach to a running instance 
> using the nova-volume service. These virtual disks are actually LVM volumes 
> exported over iSCSI by the nova-volume server. They are called persistent 
> because they are not affected by an instance being terminated, or by a 
> nova-compute server crashing. You could just start a new instance and 
> re-attach that volume and get your data back. The nova-volume is using LVM + 
> iSCSI but there are drivers/plugins for Nexenta (and Netapp will release its 
> own soon), so there are enterprise grade options available.
>
> I hope this helps you understand this topic (and I hope I'm right in my 
> explanation).
>
> George
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: openstack-bounces+george.mihaiescu=q9....@lists.launchpad.net 
> [mailto:openstack-bounces+george.mihaiescu=q9....@lists.launchpad.net] On 
> Behalf Of Michaël Van de Borne
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 3:52 AM
> To: openstack@lists.launchpad.net
> Subject: Re: [Openstack] understanding ephemeral and persistant volumes
>
> is it too complicated or too simple to be answered on the ML?
>
>
> Le 23/02/12 16:46, Michaël Van de Borne a écrit :
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'd like to understand how things go with ephemeral and persistant
>> volumes.
>> For instance, say that my gold images are stored in a Swift storage
>> network, connected to Glance.
>>
>> When I ask Nova to boot the VM,
>> - will the disk image stay in Swift storage?
>> - will the physical compute node copy the image from Swift to its
>> local filesystem?
>> - will ephemeral volumes be stored on local compute node filesystem
>> whereas persistant drives be stored in Swift?
>>
>> According to these answers, I'll know if the compute nodes of my cloud
>> should have disks attached or if no data will ever be stored on these
>> nodes even when VMs are running.
>>
>> maybe this is documented somewhere, but I didn't find clear
>> information about ephemeral and persistant volume management?
>>
>> thank you,
>>
>> Michaël
>>
>>
>
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