On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 8:03 AM, Soren Hansen <so...@linux2go.dk> wrote:> 2011/11/24 Lloyd Dewolf <lloydost...@gmail.com>:>> A. As my former boss, as of this week, Matt Mullenweg [1] would so>> often remind us, "don't be so negative" -- he literally reminded my>> VIP Services sub-team of that last week -- it's natural when you are>> deep in the trenches. Instead use "Words that Work". [2]>> This is not marketing material. It's not meant to sell anything or> convince anyone of anything. It's supposed to accurately convey what> this team is and what it isn't. If you want to rephrase it, knock> yourself out, but being unambiguous trumps "sounding good". You don't> see legislation being rephrased to make it sound better either :) Hi Soren, I may be misreading, but both your response and part of ttx's reads to me as a straw man argument -- you give back a single unrelated phrase as opposed to demonstrating the value of all three phrases. I'm frustrating by your mention of "marketing material" and ttx's posslbe fallback of "technical page". What is the context of that? If I were to guess where you are coming from, which I hate doing, my response would good communication is accessible to many audiences, encourages participation (is positive!), translates well (hard!), and still meets the needs of us pendantic fools. As I said I'm very sensitive to all communications around security, and always have been. Second, unambiguous? That doesn't ring true to me. One sentence, the first sentence, is about what the list is, followed by a whole paragraph on what it isn't? Maybe, let's start with fleshing out that first paragraph.
Three times a lady? [1] I think there is an opportunity to be concise, eliminate the seeding of fear of immaturity and unprofessionalism, (translate better), and get on with focusing that OpenStack has dedicated, profession participants. Future-me will be proud that we have a robust solution (which I feel like you guys are challenging me to brainstorm on) and that we've never had a premature disclosure. How can we get your fantastic expertises humoring me by exploring solutions rather than throwing down spike strips. Nothing is worse than the new guy also offering "solutions" [3] when the relevant issues have already been well considered, often multiple times, and where the participants likely already have some other solutions that might be voted up by the context of additional considerations. Sure though I've thought on this and will make a proposal... another email to follow shortly. Thank you,Lloyd 1. I need a list archive that is up to date!2. The opportunity to be absurd was too tempting. I need to get some sleep. 3. I will always try to articulate a problem first and not provide solutions much to your possible frustration. Once we have a solution in our head, we often find the problem to match the solution. By separating out the possible solutions we will write a stronger report, create space for alternate solution proposals by other people, and hopefully reduce the subconscious repulsion experienced by the people who worked so hard on the current solutions. For my favorite presentation of this read Chapter 9 “Problems and Solutions” in The Myths of Innovation by Scott Berkun. _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : openstack@lists.launchpad.net Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
