Jay and All,

I want to clarify and be very clear about one point that you raised: “My 
questions seem to have been taken as an attack on the LCOO.”

Your questions and valid and good feedback for us as community. Nobody should 
feel like “an attack” when somebody else ask those questions. Now, I also 
encourage direct communication when email does not work.
IRC could help and also attending the team meetings. LCOO is doing their best 
to follow the “Open Community” standards but you and everybody needs to 
understand that sometimes is hard for new Working Groups to ramp out quickly on 
those.

So, let’s keep all the conversations. Let’s all keep having a nice and 
collaborating community. 

Have a nice weekend!

Edgar Magana, PhD
Workday Cloud Operations Architect
OpenStack Foundation, User Community

On 2/3/17, 7:14 AM, "Jay Pipes" <[email protected]> wrote:

    Leong, thanks so much for responding. Comments/followup questions inline.
    
    On 02/02/2017 09:07 PM, Sun, Yih Leong wrote:
    > LCOO was initiated by a group of large telco who contributes/uses 
OpenStack, such as AT&T, NTT, Reliance Jio, Orange, etc [1].
    
    ack.
    
    > The co-chair has reached out to Product WG for collaboration (refer IRC 
meeting logs). The team is working on plans to structure/define LCOO use cases.
    
    My question here is what makes the LCOO use cases different from, say, 
    the Telco Operator working group's use cases? Or the Massively 
    Distributed working group's use cases? Or the Enterprise working group's 
    use cases?
    
    Is the difference that the LCOO's use cases are stories that are 
    important for the LCOO member companies?
    
    > Use case requirements (while still work-in-progress) can span across 
multiple areas which might/might-not covered by existing Team/WG.
    
    Understood. Is the plan of the LCOO to identify use cases that are 
    covered by other working groups, contribute resources to develop that 
    use case, but have that existing working group handle the product 
    management (spec/blueprint/communication/roadmap) stuff?
    
    > I'm sure LCOO will reach out to various projects for collaboration, stay 
tuned...
    
    My questions seem to have been taken as an attack on the LCOO. I was 
    hoping to avoid that. I'm sincerely hoping to see the outreach to 
    various projects and am eager to collaborate with developers and 
    operators from the LCOO companies. I'm just confused what the 
    relationship between the LCOO and the existing working groups is.
    
    Best,
    -jay
    
    > [1] 
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    >
    > Thanks!
    >
    > ---
    > Yih Leong Sun, PhD
    > Senior Software Cloud Architect | Open Source Technology Center | Intel 
Corporation
    > [email protected] | +1 503 264 0610
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:[email protected]]
    > Sent: Thursday, February 2, 2017 5:23 PM
    > To: Edgar Magana <[email protected]>; 
[email protected]; [email protected]
    > Cc: MCCABE, JAMEY A <[email protected]>; UKASICK, ANDREW <[email protected]>
    > Subject: Re: [Openstack-operators] [openstack-dev] Large Contributing 
OpenStack Operators working group?
    >
    > On 02/02/2017 05:02 PM, Edgar Magana wrote:
    >> Jay,
    >>
    >> I am including the WG chairs to make sure they answers your questions 
and addresses your concerns.
    >> In Barcelona the UC asked exactly the same questions and recommended to 
the co-chairs of the LCOO WG to work with the existing WG to identify 
overlapping activities and either to work together or go ahead with the WG if 
there were not overlapping on goals and deliverables.
    >
    > Was there any follow-on from that request from the UC?
    >
    >> I will let the co-chairs to follow up yours questions. BTW. I do not 
think this topic should be posted in the openstack-dev mailing list. So, I will 
BCC it.
    >
    > Sure, no problem.
    >
    >> Andrew and Jamey,
    >>
    >> Please, address these questions. Let’s work all together to make sure 
that we have all groups aligned and coordinated.
    >
    > Thanks, Edgar, appreciated. Andrew and Jamey, please do let me know if 
you would like me to rephrase or elaborate on any questions. Happy to do so. I 
genuinely want to see alignment with other groups in this effort.
    >
    > Best,
    > -jay
    >
    >> Thanks,
    >>
    >> Edgar
    >>
    >> On 2/2/17, 12:14 PM, "Jay Pipes" <[email protected]> wrote:
    >>
    >>     Hi,
    >>
    >>     I was told about this group today. I have a few questions. Hopefully
    >>     someone from this team can illuminate me with some answers.
    >>
    >>     1) What is the purpose of this group? The wiki states that the team
    >>     "aims to define the use cases and identify and prioritise the
    >>     requirements which are needed to deploy, manage, and run services on 
top
    >>     of OpenStack. This work includes identifying functional gaps, 
creating
    >>     blueprints, submitting and reviewing patches to the relevant 
OpenStack
    >>     projects, contributing to working those items, tracking their 
completion."
    >>
    >>     What is the difference between the LCOO and the following existing
    >>     working groups?
    >>
    >>       * Large Deployment Team
    >>       * Massively Distributed Team
    >>       * Product Working Group
    >>       * Telco/NFV Working Group
    >>
    >>     2) According to the wiki page, only companies that are "Multi-Cloud
    >>     Operator[s] and/or Network Service Provider[s]" are welcome in this
    >>     team. Why is the team called "Large Contributing OpenStack 
Operators" if
    >>     it's only for Telcos? Further, if this is truly only for Telcos, why
    >>     isn't the Telco/NFV working group appropriate?
    >>
    >>     3) Under the "Guiding principles" section of the above wiki, the top
    >>     principle is "Align with the OpenStack Foundation". If this is the 
case,
    >>     why did the group move its content to the closed Atlassian Confuence
    >>     platform? Why does the group have a set of separate Slack channels
    >>     instead of using the OpenStack mailing lists and IRC channels? Why is
    >>     the OPNFV Jira used for tracking work items for the LCOO agenda?
    >>
    >>     See 
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    >>
    >>     4) I see a lot of agenda items around projects like Gluon, Craton,
    >>     Watcher, and Blazar. I don't see any concrete ideas about talking 
with
    >>     the developers of the key infrastructure services that OpenStack is
    >>     built around. How does the LCOO plan on reaching out to the 
developers
    >>     of the long-standing OpenStack projects like Nova, Neutron, Cinder, 
and
    >>     Keystone to drive their shared agenda?
    >>
    >>     Thanks for reading and (hopefully) answering.
    >>
    >>     -jay
    >>
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