On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Michał Jastrzębski <inc...@gmail.com> wrote: > I really fail to see how add hoc meetings, if link will be posted openly on > IRC, notes made public and invitation extended to everyone would violate 4 > opens. It's virtuality impossible in globally distributed project to have > everyone interested around at all times. All decisions made will be > reflected in gerrit when first code his it, etherpad or summary on IRC > afterwards will allow those not present to get up to speed. > > I think we need to trust our fellow cores to have best interest of project > in mind even when we are not around. Any issues can be dealt with later as > well. > > Cheers, > Michał >
+1 > On Dec 13, 2016 5:12 AM, "Sean Dague" <s...@dague.net> wrote: > > On 12/13/2016 08:02 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: >> Ed Leafe wrote: >>> On Dec 12, 2016, at 11:16 AM, Jeffrey Zhang <zhang.lei....@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Some contributors in kolla have had unscheduled video meetings. This has >>>> resulted in complaints about inclusiveness. Some contributors can’t even >>>> make >>>> the meeting we have, and another scheduled video meeting might produce a >>>> situation in which there is no any record of decisions made during the >>>> video >>>> meeting. At least with IRC meetings there is always a log. >>> >>> Occasionally a quick Google hangout is necessary in Nova in order to >>> quickly settle an outstanding issue so we can continue to make progress. >>> When that happens, the link is posted in the #openstack-nova channel, and >>> anyone who is interested can join. So while it’s not logged like an IRC >>> meeting, it’s no excluding anyone, and we can quickly remove roadblocks that >>> are harder to do in IRC. >> >> Last time I checked, Google Hangouts were not accessible from China... >> So it *is* excluding some contributors ? >> >> I think it's fine to use Hangouts or phone calls to quickly go through >> an issue. But if those become routine and if contributors express that >> those are making them feel (or be) excluded, then it is important to >> reassess your usage of them before it starts threatening our "open >> development" and "open community" pillars. >> >> And in all cases, regular team meetings (or decision-making meetings) >> should happen on IRC in logged channels. > > There is definitely a reality that there are circumstances where > collaboration happens, and happens quickly, in some setting where not > everyone was around. Be it at a conference, randomly finding people in a > coffee shop, on a google hangout, a telephone call, etc. > > I think the most important thing is to take the time to take whatever > happened there and put it out in open memory afterwards. For instance, a > write up to the mailing list with the notes of what about the issue, the > discussion, the resolution. This isn't only helpful for the people not > in the room, it's also really helpful even for those in the room 6 or 12 > months later to try to recall why a particular course of action was taken. > > -Sean > > -- > Sean Dague > http://dague.net > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- Best Regards, Swapnil Kulkarni irc : coolsvap coolsvap at gmail dot com +91-87960 10622(c) http://in.linkedin.com/in/coolsvap "It's better to SHARE" __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
